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Dr. Cain. In different forms ; yes, sir. 



Mr. Keith. On page 21 you talk about a national estuarine study 

 and say : 



This 3-year study and analysis of estuarine uses and problems will have a 

 strong bearing on recreation, commercial fishing, transportation, and other 

 industrial interests. 



Is that not parallel to the purpose of H.R. 25 ? 



Dr. Cain. As I read the legislation which authorized the Federal 

 Water Pollution Control Administration study, and the legislation in 

 the present form of H.R. 25, I believe that the intent of H.R. 25 is 

 not m any way to duplicate or overlap the earlier authorization. I so 

 testified at one time, that those sections of H.R. 25 which would estab- 

 lish a national estuary system, and would provide the necesary study 

 for identification of areas that would be an appropriate part of that 

 system, would not be included in the intended survey by the Federal 

 Water Pollution Control Administration. 



This is, I believe, the way I testified some months ago on H.R. 25. 



Mr. Keith. Since you testified, H.R. 25 has been rewritten ? 



Dr. Cain. Correct. 



Mr. Keith. To provide solely or almost exclusively for a study of 

 the estuary area problem. 



How much is the national estuary study costing us currently ? 



Dr. Cain. I am sorry, I would have to provide that for the record. 

 I do not know what funds are available to FWPCA. I am informed it 

 is about $3 million. 



Mr. Keith. I know; the statement says that. I am asking the cost, 

 Wlien was it started ? 



Dr. Cain. It is due to be finished about the end of next year. It was 

 a 3-year study. I will have to provide the details for the record. 



(The material follows :) 



Estuarine Study Expenditures 



The National Estuarine Study was authorized in November 1966 to be carried 

 out by the Federal Water Pollution Control Administration. 



It is due to be completed in November 1969. 



A total of $3 million was authorized by Congress for the study. Estimated 

 actual expenditures are : 



Fiscal year 1967 $250, 000 



Fiscal year 1968 720, 000 



Mr. Keith. It seems to me those exact details should have been in 

 hand when you spoke with reference to the study that is contemplated 

 under H.R. 25 because, to the extent that there is existing information 

 on the problem, the need for the study would be lessened. I would 

 think it would provide a considerable amount of information in these 

 times of inflation when we have to cut costs where we can. 



Further than that, if the problem is worth a study, it is worth 

 getting the input from the studies as we proceed, so we can take action 

 now in some of these areas without waiting for completion of the study. 



Are you aware of my marine sanctuaries legislation ? 



Dr. Cain. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Keith. Do you endorse the principle of that legislation? 



Dr. Cain. As Secretary Udall's alternate on the Council when the 

 question of open ocean marine sanctuaries came up, I was favorable to 

 that. Subsequently, I have sent the Secretary of Interior two memo- 

 randums recommending he consider and have studied the question 



