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This would also be true of the educational phases of the act. We 

 propose to emphasize education for engineers and training of ocean 

 technicians. 



The second point which emerged immediately concerns the inter- 

 face between the National Science Foundation and other Federal 

 agencies who have missions in the public service concerned with ocean 

 development. 



For instance, the question could be asked : Where does the role of 

 the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries leave off and the role of sea grant 

 begin ? 



It was just as clear that it would be an extremely difficult task to 

 try as a formal procedure to formulate guidelines by which the pro- 

 posals would be automatically determined as whether they were 

 within the purview of one agency or another. We have elected to use 

 a much more informal arrangement. Accordingly, the Science Foun- 

 dation has conferred with the hierarchies of the rest of these bureaus, 

 specifically, for instance. Assistant Secretary Cain in Interior; Dr. 

 White in Commerce who appeared before me this morning, and Sec- 

 retary Frosch's office in the Navy. 



It was agreeable to all concerned that the approach might as well 

 be informal. When a proposal is received, which could conceivably lie 

 within that gray area of jurisdiction, it is simply a matter of con- 

 tacting the proper person in the agency and asking, "How do you 

 consider this proposal ? Is it within your purview ? Would you suspect 

 it might be in mine ?" 



So far we have encountered no trouble whatsoever. Naturally, we 

 are taking advantage of the gradual emergence of interagency co- 

 ordination as developed by the Interagency Committee on Oceanog- 

 raphy ; thus the contacts already exist for this purpose. 



The next point I would like to make concerns the tremendous in- 

 terest aroused by the passage of this act. This interest has been aroused 

 in industry, the academic world, State governments, and private 

 foundations. 



It has caused, either directly or indirectly, the formation of inter- 

 departmental alliances, intercollegiate consortia, and interstate con- 

 tacts for the purpose of more effective exploitation of the ocean envi- 

 ronment and specifically often including prosecution of sea-grant 

 programs. 



Needless to say, this has been extremely encouraging. 



We have compiled a list by States of the number of schools who 

 have already asked us for information from which they could prepare 

 proposals for sea-grant support. With your permission I would like 

 to submit that for the record as well. 



(The information follows:) 



