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Dr. RoBEETSON. That is my understanding, yes, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. That being so, then there is no question about what 

 the conferees will do. That means you will have $5 million for fiscal 

 year 1968. 



That is all. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Downing. Mr. Mosher ? 



Mr. MosHER. Mr. Abel, in the act, in defining "marine environment," 

 we were careful to include the Great Lakes area. I assume that I am 

 correct that institutions in the Midwest, far, far from the oceans, 

 adjacent to the Great Lakes area, are being given equal consideration, 

 assuming they meet the other qualifications ; is that true ? 



Mr. Abel. Yes, sir. Historically, inland institutions have partici- 

 pated in the national oceanographic program in the following fash- 

 ions: First of all, they have offered courses more on the theoretical 

 than the empirical side, that is, discussing the oceans in the abstract, 

 perhaps mathematically. 



Several institutions have taken this road. In fact, I believe Lehigh 

 issued a report about 5 years ago called "Conducting Oceanography 

 at an Inland College." In another way, a college may specialize in the 

 ocean- atmosphere interface, with emphasis on the atmosphere, as at 

 the University of Wisconsin with its rather splendid meteorology pro- 

 gram. A third way would concern the Great Lakes. A fourth can 

 concern the use of adjacent water areas as experimental tanks or 

 models of the ocean itself. 



In this way there are several inland institutions which have built 

 up excellent reputations, if not in oceanography in its pure sense at 

 least in the category called marine science and technology. 



Mr. Lennon. I have no further questions. 



Mr. Downing. Mr. Pelly. 



Mr. Pelly. I would like to find out whether I was misinformed 

 about the institutions in my district. I gave a talk to a junior college 

 where they have a course in training technicians for oceanography. 

 I told them I thought it was quite important. I notice that you listed 

 no contacts in the State of Washington indicating that no interest 

 has been shown. I am sure there is. Yet, on the other hand there are 

 nine contacts from colleges. I was not quite sure we had nine colleges 

 in our State. Is there any chance that there is a combining of the junior 

 colleges along with others? Would the nine include junior colleges? 



Mr. Abel. Mr. Pelly, to answer your question specifically, that is 

 exactly what is contemplated in Seattle. I spent the last 2 days in 

 Seattle, arriving at 6 o'clock this morning from there. WTiat they 

 want to do is to establish liaisons between, say, the University of 

 Washington — as the master organization — with the satellite institu- 

 tions, thereby offering peripheral courses or — for instance, technician 

 training programs, since some of them already are proficient in such 

 curriculums. 



Mr. Pelly. That makes sense to me. 



Mr. Abel. It has been a very happy situation all the way around. 

 Several States are doing this. The University of Washington was, to 

 the best of my knowledge, the first to come and tell us they were doing 

 this. Of course, they had a natural situation with three community 

 colleges in the immediate area. 



