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deal of activity and interest there. There was full attendance on the 

 committee. It was very encouraging. 



I am happy also to see California so big in the column in your recap 

 sheet or table. 



I do not have any specific questions. I think they have been covered 

 by, you might say, the rest of the members of the committee. 



Probably one of the reasons California did come through in such 

 grand style is that the Governor of the State has a very active com- 

 mittee in a program he has called GACOR, Governor's Advisory 

 Committee on Ocean Resources. This is a very active group that has 

 generated a great deal of interest throughout the State, probably to 

 the frustration of some, judging by the number here. Nonetheless, I 

 am glad to see the general approach you have taken on this program. 

 I am sure that this committee will speak on your behalf when it comes 

 to appropriations. We will see that you do get funding for the future. 



I think this businesslike approach is very commendable. 



Mr. Abel. Thank you very much, sir. I have taken the liberty of 

 approaching the GACOR for some help which I am sure you 

 will understand is needed in handling the California situation. Con- 

 sequently, in 3 weeks I Avill meet with them in order to draw up such 

 indices that might be feasible to differentiate and to screen and allow 

 us a logical selection process. 



Mr. Downing. Mr. Pollock. 



Mr. Pollock. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, 



I wanted to pursue the comments of Mr. Lennon. 



As I understand the utilization of these funds, your institutional 

 grants will go where you have the established institutions now. I 

 presume that is what you were saying. You will have some project 

 support grants going to areas where hopefully there is potential 

 development. Is that correct ? 



Mr. Abel. That is correct, Mr. Pollock. We very clearly would 

 insist on orienting institutional grants to the situations where the 

 expertise is already available. To combine these two theses for a mo- 

 ment, when w^e are considering the allocation of project money some- 

 times it is not immediately discernible that there may be a pocket of 

 expertise in a school that you would not think would be interested. 



For instance, at Ohio State, which is somewhat far removed from 

 the ocean, there exists extraordinary expertise in law of the sea. As 

 you remember, your act in addition to enhancing the natural sciences, 

 also brings in the social sciences. Here we cannot necessarily be lim- 

 ited to the coastal institutions traditionally involved with oceanog- 

 raphy. Some of our best economics professorial talent and some of 

 our best legal talent are in the inland university systems. 



Mr. Pollock. One other question, Mr. Abel. 



Do I understand that the emphasis on the technician training by 

 and large will be in the community colleges? 



Mr. Abel. Not necessarily by definition. It is just that there have 

 been more community colleges who have approached us than the 

 senior colleges. I think this is probably owing to the tradition of 

 junior colleges who have so long emphasized courses of this character. 

 In some cases without any previous experience in this area they have 

 come in with surprisingly good plans indicating quite a bit of home- 



