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Mr. Lennon. Will the gentleman yield ? 



Mr, Downing. Yes. 



Mr. Lennon. Due to the difference between a profit and a nonprofit 

 corporation. Certainly you do not intend to help on projects for a con- 

 cern whose principal admitted motivation is profit, but where it is a 

 nonprofit corporation related to the marine sciences you could make 

 grants for programs. Is that your differentiation ? 



Mr. Abel, Yes, sir. 



Mr. Downing. Even they would have to be very carefully defined 

 and gone into, would they not ? 



Mr, Abel. That is true. 



I believe, sir, I would be somewhat naive if I ignored the ramifica- 

 tions here, some of the possibilities of funding a nonprofit establish- 

 ment which could in a way, as you know, compete with prof itmaking 

 establishments. These are very hazy areas and it is hard to design a 

 doctrine to cover all such cases before examining the proposals them- 

 selves. 



Mr. Downing. Thank you. 



Mr. Lennon. While we have had a most interesting and informative 

 and helpful statement by Mr. Abel, I would like to ask unanimous 

 consent that following his statement and his colloquy with the mem- 

 bers there be included in the record his full written statement which 

 covers some things we were not able to cover here as I went through it 

 rather hurriedly. 



Mr. Downing. Without objection, it will be placed in the record. 



Mr. Abel. Thank you. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr, Abel, I do not understand that the failure of an 

 institutfen or an institute or college or university to respond to the 

 letter that went out to them on June 8 of his year means that these 

 who have responded have automatically established priorities on pro- 

 grams in any way ? 



Mr, Abel, No, sir ; not in the slightest. 



Mr. Lennon. You subsequently, as I understand, intend to send out 

 brochures to the wide spectrum of everybody that is covered under 

 the act ? 



Mr. Abel. We have issued these to everyone who received the an- 

 nouncement. 



Mr. Lennon. When did that go out ? 



Mr. Abel. That went out August 30, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. One other question. 



In the backup material which I think ought to be included as part 

 of his statements — and I ask unanimous consent that it may be part 

 of the permanent record — I notice on figure 12 which is found on page 

 identified as page 69, you have Sea Grants Training, a three-dimension 

 pattern, and I believe I understand law, economics, politics, adminis- 

 tration, chemistry, biology, physics, geology, recreation, mining, 

 fisheries, and defense, but right down through the center of it you 

 have the word "politics." 



I think I know the connotation. My distinguished colleague, Mr. 

 Downing, and I have been exchanging views about it. 



Are you talking about international politics or domestic politics, 

 or are you talking about authorizations by the Congress and budgetary 

 problems and appropriations by the Congress? 



