•of the range capabilities are classified for the reason that the details 

 of the capabilities would say too much about the things that are being 

 tested. We need to find some way to, so to speak, sanitize range use 

 for nonsecurity purposes. 



There also may be some problem of scheduling and of untangling 

 the priorities between the military range problems and the industrial 

 range problems. I think we would very much like to make AUTEC 

 and our other ranges available for non-military use, but I think we 

 need to think about the problems involved more than we have been 

 ■able to so far. And, I think, we will have to have more experience 

 in the actual operation of the range before we completely understand 

 "how to do this. The range, of course, is still somewhere between a 

 test status and and operating status. We are just really getting expe- 

 rience with it now. 



Mr. Rogers. I would be hopeful as you move into an operational 

 basis you could try to bring in some industry use of the range. I 

 think it would be most helpful. 



Dr. Frosch. Yes. 



Mr. Rogers. I assume from your comments that you would be op- 

 posed to the Malta Resolution or at least the Department would be 

 opposed. 



Dr. Frosch. I think it would cause very severe problems for the 

 Navy. It is possible that there would be other overriding national 

 requirements that would make it necessary for us to find some way 

 to operate under those restrictions, but it would certainly cause 

 considerable difficulty for the Navy. 



Mr. Rogers. In classified matters, do you have any exchange at all 

 in classified matter with other governmental departments or is this 

 -classified strictly to your own Department use? 



Dr. Frosch. Oh, no. Wlien there is a requirement which can be 

 identified by discussion between the departments, we can arrange and 

 frequently do arrange for another department to have access to clas- 

 sified material. Generally speaking at least, the very people in other 

 departments who need to understand what we are doing and perhaps 

 ^o use the results have access to the relevant classified material. 



Mr. Rogers. Such as ESSA ? 



Dr. Frosch. ESSA, Interior, NASA, AEC. 



Mr. Rogers. There is an interchange between departments ? 



Dr. Frosch. Yes. 



Mr. Rogers. What is the Navy's position on the innocent passage of 

 Russian vessels in our waters? Is this determined at Department of 

 Defense level or at State ? 



Dr. Frosch. I think it is determined by consultation between the 

 Department of State and the Department of Defense. Our general 

 position has been that we have stood for free use of the seas, including 

 the right of innocent passage in defined straits that have traditionally 

 or by agreement been straits that permitted innocent passage. We 

 continue to take this position because every time we assess it we con- 

 clude that it is in the best interests of U.S. security to have an inter- 

 national situation in which the right of innocent passage through these 

 straits is preserved for us. Part of the price of having it preserved for 

 us has been to have it exist as an international open strait for all 

 ^nations. 



