35D, 



There are many aspects, for example, of torpedo design and testing 

 whicli we define as being attached to purely military matters and not 

 attached to marine science, but which could perfectly well be defined as 

 being marine underwater technology. There are hydrodynamic aspects 

 and technological aspects of handling torpedoes. We have tried to at- 

 tribute things that are really military rather than general marine sci- 

 ences to the military area, and when we write the oceanographic 

 budget to be reasonably strict about keeping things that are not general 

 marine science contributions out of it. 



I would certainly not say that I can be sure we have done this cor- 

 rectly in every instance, since to some extent it is a matter of judg- 

 ment. We try to do as well as we can. 



Mr. Hanna. Thank you. 



And thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. Counsel ? 



Mr. Drewrt. Dr. Frosch, one thing that concerns me particularly is 

 your reference to the fact that some two-thirds of oceanography in the 

 Navy is in the unclassified territory and automatically available. What 

 mechanism or mechanisms exist for the dissemination of this unclas- 

 sified material, or what mechanism exists for making it possible for 

 people who could be interested in it to know that it exists and is 

 available ? 



Dr. Feosch. The publication of charts and reports is one example. 

 The unclassified charts are, of course, for public sale by the Navy 

 and, in fact, are widely distributed and can be purchased from many 

 outlets. The reports are of two kinds — formal scientific publication 

 in the journals and books that are published in the scientific com- 

 munity which are immediately available; the publication of technical 

 and other reports that are deposited in the Defense Documentation 

 Center and can be obtained from the DDC by well-known procedures 

 for unclassified materials. These are known to the academic com- 

 munity and to the commercial and industrial community. 



We also hold a number of meetings and contribute to more general 

 meetings in which we discuss oceanographic matters specifically. We 

 hold, for example, annually a military oceanography meeting, all 

 or part of which is unclassified, which has wide attendance from the 

 community people interested in the subject. We do our best to have 

 Navy speakers and people who have worked in the program present 

 their work at scientific meetings, other meetings, and special meetings. 



We make efforts through committees like the one I now chair to 

 keep the other agencies informed of both the general nature and the 

 details of the Navy's work, and these committees are quite important 

 as information exchange organizations. And, of course, we respond 

 to direct requests from other agencies, from academic people, and 

 from industry, which come to the Navy by letter or by phone call or 

 personal contact, asking if the Navy has information or data on such 

 and such. When we can, without compromising our security position, 

 we provide it. Sometimes, in fact, we will use such a request as an 

 occasion for reexamining a classification policy and, if possible, for 

 declassifying the specific information required. 



Mr. Drewry. Of course you contribute to the National Oceano- 

 graphic Data Center. 



