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Dr. Frosch. We are a contributor to the Data Center and all of 

 the unclassified data that fit within the category of interest to the 

 Center are supplied to it. 



Mr. Drewry. You have NODC listed as a Federal nondefense ocean- 

 ographic laboratory. But is not tlie Navy still pretty much running it? 

 "Dr. Froscii. The Navy is responsible for the administration of the 

 Data Center, but it is really an interagency center in the sense that 

 it is operated by a board of trustees from the various agencies. They 

 are responsible, as an appointed group from the agencies, for the 

 policies and operations of the Data Center. NODC is funded by : One, 

 contributions from the various agencies, and two, by the sale of data." 



Mr. Drewry. I understand you are Chairman of the U.S. delegation 

 to the IntergovQrnmental Oceanographic Commission of UNESCO 

 meeting in Paris beginning next week. 



Dr. Frosch. Yes. 



Mr. Drewry. I wonder if you could explain for the record just what 

 the IOC is, what it does, and any particular points of interest you 

 expect to be raised at this upcoming meeting. 



Dr. Frosch. Yes ; I would be happy to. 



The IOC is a Commission under UNESCO which is responsible 

 for international coordination in scientific matters related to ocean- 

 ography and marine sciences. Its members include any member of 

 UNESCO who signifies a desire to be a member of the IOC. There 

 have been 55 nations that have participated during its history. It deals 

 with all kinds of cooperative gcientific problems : The interchange of 

 data and interchange of publications; the making of provisions for 

 direct comparison of instruments so that various peoples' data can be 

 known to be comparable ; the making of provisions for international 

 cooperation in expeditions that explore various parts of the ocean; 

 joint experiments; and contribution of resources of men and ships to 

 joint explorations. 



Most of the items on the agenda of the upcoming meeting deal, in 

 fact, with the details of such exchanges and such expeditions. There 

 has been some talk in the past year or so, and a previous proposal from 

 the Soviets, of the IOC undertaking some attempts to_ write conven- 

 tions that would deal with the legal aspects of these activities. 



In past meetings, the United States has opposed this view. There 

 is some opposition to it, I believe, in other organs of the United Na- 

 tions. The feeling has been that the IOC has been most successful as 

 a scientific coordinating body and that it should stick to science. It is 

 not likely to improve its operation by undertaking major expeditions 

 in areas other than science. 



Mr. Drew^ry. Just one more question. Dr. Frosch. 



Under the National Science Foundation you describe the academic 

 and educational activities and under HEW you also indicate oceano- 

 graphic education fellowships and grants. Overlap is something we 

 have worried about ever since we got into this picture and I wonder 

 if you can define how overlap is avoided as between HEW and NSF ? 



Dr. Frosch. The National Science Foundation and the Department 

 of Health, Education, and Welfare, do, in fact, have some overlap in 

 their statutory responsibilities for education. This overlap, however, 

 is seldom if ever reflected in their programs. While HEW has as its 



