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to schedule the hearings, we had to suspend our oceanographic hear- 

 ings for a time. It's the old matter of compromise — so well known in 

 government affairs. 



Now our important witnesses who were unavailable in September 

 and early October can be with us. And on our end our urgent legisla- 

 tion for this session is out of the way — and we can conclude what we 

 started back in August without any real loss in objective. 



Our witness today will be Dr. Randal M. Robertson, Associate Di- 

 rector for Research of the National Science Foundation, to be followed 

 by Mr. Herbert J. Waters, Assistant Administrator for War on Hunger 

 of the Agency for International Development. 



Tomorrow it will be our pleasure to hear Dr. Leon Jacobs, Deputy 

 Assistant Secretary for Science, of the Department of Health, Educa- 

 tion, and Welfare. 



Next week, on Monday, we will hear from Dr. Robert C. Seamens, 

 Jr., Deputy Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space 

 Administration. And on Tuesday, from Mr. Herman Pollack, Director 

 of International Scientific and Technological Affairs, at the Depart- 

 ment of State. 



Now, gentlemen, it will be our pleasure to hear first from the witness 

 Dr. Randal M. Robertson, Associate Director for Research, of the 

 National Science Foimdation. I assume, gentlemen, those of you pres- 

 ent this morning have in front of you the statement of the doctor. If 

 the doctor and any of his associates that he would like to have sit at 

 the table with him will come forward, we will be happy to recognize 

 you at this time. 



I assume. Doctor, that you will probably follow your statement as 

 you provided it for the committee. We hopefully will have some objec- 

 tive questions to discuss with you. We may have to tell you a question 

 rather than ask you one, in the interest of time, so that you may 

 proceed, sir. 



STATEMENT OF DR. RANDAL M. ROBERTSON, ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR 

 FOR RESEARCH; ACCOMPANIED BY DR. KEITH R. KELSON, 

 DEPUTY ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR (EDUCATION); DR. HARVE J. 

 CARLSON, DIVISION DIRECTOR FOR BIOLOGICAL AND MEDICAL 

 SCIENCES; DR. T. 0. JONES, DIVISION DIRECTOR FOR ENVIRON- 

 MENTAL SCIENCES; DANIEL HUNT, SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE 

 DIRECTOR FOR MARINE SCIENCE AFFAIRS; AND CHARLES 

 MAECHLING, JR., DEPUTY GENERAL COUNSEL; NATIONAL 

 SCIENCE FOUNDATION 



Dr. Robertson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



It is a pleasure to be here today, and I would like to begin by intro- 

 ducing several of my colleagues who have accompanied me and who 

 will be available to answer questions which I may not be able to 

 handle. 



I would like to start on my right with Dr. Keith R. Kelson, who is 

 the Deputy Associate Director for Education at the National Science 

 Foundation ; then Dr. Harve J. Oarlson, Division Director for Biologi- 



