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used its authority to determine which agency should be the lead agency 

 in a certain field, make a determination of whether it should be your 

 agency or the Navy or the Department of the Interior that should go 

 ahead and take the lead, perhaps with the cooperation of the others ? 



Dr. Robertson. I think the Marine Council has begun to establish a 

 pattern of responsibilities in the field of oceanography broadly. In the 

 basic research field, there has been no assignment of responsibility by 

 areas of research. There we have closely coordinated programs with 

 several agencies working in parallel. 



Mr. MosHER. You haven't had any practical experience as yet with, 

 this lead agency concept where the Council determines which agency 

 should go ahead? 



Dr. EoBERTSON. Not within the field of basic research. There have 

 been specific agreements, for example, that one agency would take 

 special responsibility for air-ocean interface problems. This was 

 worked out in the Federal Council between the ICO and the Inter- 

 agency Committee on Atmospheric Sciences. 



Mr. Pelly. Would the gentleman yield? 



Mr. Mosher. Just a second. This is usually a mutually arranged 

 agreement rather than one that is enforced from up above ? There has 

 really been no occasion where the Council has had to say, "You are 

 going to do it" ? 



Dr. Robertson. I think that is right. Their policy has been to try to- 

 work out agreement by sitting down together and discussing it, serv- 

 ing as a catalyst rather than a directing agency. 



Mr. MosHER. I yield. 



Mr. Pelly. On the point which you raised, have you read today's 

 New York Times ? 



Dr. Robertson. No, I have not. 



Mr. Pelly. Dr. Wenk is cited in today's New York Times as saying 

 he does not advocate putting all marine activities under one adminis- 

 trative roof. The article further indicated that Dr. Wenk felt the 

 budget must be defended piecemeal rather than as one group. 



Dr. Robertson. Yes, I agree. 



Mr. MosHER. I have no further questions. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Rogers of Florida. 



Mr. Rogers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Dr. Robertson, I think you have given us a ^ood rundown on your 

 activities. Let me ask you this: Your budget is estimated for fiscal 

 1968 at about $38 million or $40 million. 



Dr. Robertson. The present figure, as I said in my statement, is 

 between $37 million and $38 million, which is our current best estimate 

 of the obligation authority for marine sciences. 



Mr. Rogers. How much of that amount is allocated to schools, in- 

 stitutions ? Is all of that allocated to institutions or how is that divided? 



Dr. Robertson. Practically all of the money will ultimately be dis- 

 tributed in grants to academic institutions and close related nonprofit 

 institutes. 



Mr. Rogers. I realize you probably won't have this with you, but 

 would you let the committee have a breakdown as to how much money 

 each of these institutions receives and has received, let's say, in the last 

 6 years from the National Science Foundation ? 



