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goes into processing applications by coordination at the local level. 

 It seems to me that such an approach could simplify the work of the 

 National Science Foundation and cut down costs. 



Mr. KoGERS. Would the gentleman yield ? 



Mr. Pelly. Yes. 



Mr. Rogers. This probably would be a good idea, but I would ques- 

 tion whether that is being done now. 



For instance, I do not think the University of Miami in our State 

 coordinates for everybody else. 



Mr. Pelly. It is being done in my area. It is working through the 

 University of Washington. 



Mr. Rogers. Money is given through the National Science Founda- 

 tion? 



Mr. Pelly. I don't think they have any money. I think their appli- 

 cation has gone in. 



Mr. Rogers. I don't think they are getting any money. 



Mr. Pelly. However, it avoids duplication and provides a pattern. 



I have taken too much time, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. The gentleman from Virginia. 



Mr. Downing. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



That was a very fine statement. Dr. Robertson, and I am very proud 

 that you made reference to the Virginia Institute of Marine Science, 

 with which I am familiar. 



They do excellent work down there, and have had some success. 



Doctor, I have one simple, basic question to ask you. Many of us are 

 interested in oceanography, and when we have an opportunity to 

 speak to young people, we talk about this tremendous potential which 

 this field has for them. Some of them say, "I don't know much about 

 oceanography. How do I get started? How do I get into it?" 



This is a high school student. What would be your answer? 



Dr. Robertson. I think it depends on what their ultimate goal is, 

 of course. 



Mr. Downing. At this point, too, I am an expert, every time a boy 

 asks me that question. 



Dr. Robertson. Most people who become professional oceanog- 

 raphers in the scientific sense take a Ph. D. in oceanography after 

 graduating from college with a major in some other field. 



There are not many institutions which provide undergraduate ma- 

 jors in ocean science, so that many people who ultimately go into 

 oceanographic science start in chemistry or geology or geophysics or 

 biology, one of the fields which are fundamental to oceanography, and 

 then go on in graduate work to do research in oceanography itself. 



Now, a few institutions do give undergraduate degrees in ocean 

 science, and of course there are training courses for people who want 

 to stop short of an undergraduate degree, who want to become skilled 

 technicians, for example, and the junior colleges and technical in- 

 stitutes are very valuable there. 



Does that answer the question ? 



Mr. Downing. No. 



First of all, you have to visualize this young person. "Where can I 

 find out something about oceanography ?" 



Mr. Lennon. Write to his Congressman. 



