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This is even though I was disappointed from what I heard from 

 DOD with regard to its contribution to national defense. 



Getting down to the establishment of the National Council, which 

 I indicated had its first meeting in August of last year, we all know 

 that the administrator of NASA is one of the observers named in the 

 act. 



Has that brought together at a coordinating level an even better 

 working relationship with NASA and the other agencies of the Fed- 

 eral Government and those so-called private institutions which are 

 financed primarily through Government grants? 



Dr. Seamans. I tliink it has done an excellent job. 



Mr. Lennon. In other words, to make a lon^ story short, you would 

 not have had this information for dissemination otherwise. This was 

 done for the National Council on Marine Eesources hj you, the Naval 

 Oceanographic Office, the Bureau of National Fisheries, and the De- 

 partment of Commerce. 



I know this is for public dissemination, so they should get a new 

 insight as to NASA's contribution to the fields of the marine sciences 

 they have not had before. I refer now to the general public. 



Dr. Seamans. Right. 



Mr. Lennon. I am delighted with that. 



I would just say that if this committee had known that you were 

 involved in this to the extent that you are, we might have pushed a 

 little harder for a few more dollars so that a little more of this money 

 could have been allocated in this direction. We are looking over our 

 shoulders in retrospect. I wish you had been involved in it more so that 

 you could have perhaps done an even better job. 



I wonder if counsel has questions. 



Mr. Karth. Will the Chairman yield ? 



Mr. Lennon. Yes, because you and Mr. Pelly have been close to 

 this. 



Mr. Karth. In all fairness to NASA it must be said 



Mr. Lennon. I am not being critical at all. 



Mr. Karth. I understand. 



Mr. Lennon. I am delighted to know this is going on. 



Mr. Karth. I think one of the reasons this probably has not been 

 brought to the attention of the committee as it otherwise would have 

 been, is because the programs that the distinguished chairman refers 

 to, including the Tiros, ATS, the Syncom, l^imbus, and the Gemini 

 program, whatever applicability these programs have to oceanography 

 and whatever breakthroughs they might have made, whatever con- 

 tributions they lend to this new field of teclinology, have been made, 

 Mr. Chairman, inadvertently, as spinoffs of programs which have other 

 objectives as their primary purpose. 



I would hasten to add that if this agency were requested by a legis- 

 lative committee or by someone within Government to lend its pro- 

 found systems capability to answering specifically many of the ques- 

 tions that we have relating to oceanology, that they would indeed per- 



