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our statement says national sovereignty would not be an appropriate 

 Avay to clisj^ose of that area. 



Mr. Reinecke. In your statement, again on page 14, you indicate 

 tliat the deep ocean floor should be open to exploration. Did the 

 Goldberg statement include exploitation ? 



Mr. Pollack. No, it said "exploration and use." 



Mr. Reinecke. Does use include the military? Or is it a general 

 term ? 



Mr. Pollack. Use is a very general term. 



Mr. Reinecke. Are we not setting the stage, 5 or 10 years away, 

 where we will not be able to put military installations on the deep 

 ocean floor ? 



Mr. Pollack. No. I interpret the statement to mean it would be 

 open to use. 



Mr. Reinecke. But would we be a national sovereignty looking for 

 our own interests ? 



Mr. Pollack. I do not think it has been said by Ambassador Gold- 

 berg or by anyone in the executive branch that there will not be na- 

 tional use made of the ocean floor, just as there is now national use 

 made of the seas above the ocean floor. 



Mr. Reinecke. On page 16 you indicate the general attitudes range 

 from an apparent willingness by some to act now to adopt several of 

 the principles suggested by Ambassador Pardo to a reluctance on the 

 part of others to have the General Assembly involve itself in these is- 

 sues or to create a special committee to consider them seriously. Can you 

 give us examples of some of the countries that are reluctant to have the 

 General Assembly involve itself in these issues ? 



Mr. Pollack. Let me ask Mr. Popper to reply to that. 



Mr. Popper. I mentioned, Mr. Chairman, the Soviet Union as one of 

 the group of countries that was very reluctant to go very far. I think 

 some of the countries of Western Europe were also reluctant to go very 

 far, although they did eventually agree to the terms of the resolution 

 passed by the Political Committee of the General Assembly. 



On the other side, many of the developing countries, and some coun- 

 tries which took a position sympathetic to theirs, looked at the Pardo 

 proposal as something very desirable. Some of those countries might 

 be said to be Malta, Pakistan, Kenya, and Somali, to take a few, and the 

 delegation of Sweden indicated sympathy with their view. 



A third group of countries are those which are concerned about juris- 

 dictional problems extending beyond the shoreline. Certain Latin 

 American countries, which claim a 200-mile zone are, I understand, 

 cautious about where this might lead them. All of these matters were 

 discussed in the Political Committee. 



Mr. Reinecke. I think you said 47 countries have made statements ? 



Mr. Popper. Yes. 



Mr. Reinecke. Is it asking too much to provide to the committee a 

 list of those countries ? 



Mr. Popper. Not at all. We could give you something of that kind, 

 yes indeed. 



Mr. Reinecke. I would appreciate that, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. Very well. 



(The list of countries follows :) 



