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Dr. Hornig. I think what you have said is very correct. I think 
we have gradually, through the work of your committee and through 
the work of the Interagency Committee, built up interest and under- 
standing in this program. 
Mr. Casey. We have kind of a public relations job with the rest 
of the Congress who are not familiar with the work and the horizons 
that you are opening up in the future of the programs that can be 
undertaken, and the benefits that will result of contmued effort in this 
field. I think that is where our problem is. If we can get them 
awakened to that. You do not ask for as much money as we spend on 
one pad down at Canaveral. I think the benefits we will reap from 
this are unlimited. 
Dr. Hornie. I think the long-range aspects are very great and, of 
course, we have just begun the buildup. It is really only a few years 
old, and we are going to have to wait a while for some of the antici- 
pated benefits. 
Mr. Casry. You do not need all that money right now, you could 
not absorb it. I know you could use more money than you are going 
to get. I think that is typical of most all agencies. I think what we 
need to do is when someone complains about some oceanography pro- 
gram, well, they say, this is a tremendous amount of money, why, I 
think it relates to some of our other scientific programs and the possi- 
ble results, I do not think this is exorbitant, I do not think it is 
wasteful. 
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr. Lennon. Mr. Ellsworth? 
Mr. ExiswortsH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I, too, would like to 
compliment you, Dr. Hornig, on your very fine statement and I would 
like to second what Mr. Pelly and others on the subcommittee have 
said to you. 
I do not really have any questions but I would like to make a couple 
of comments on your statement. 
First of all, with respect to page 7, your comment that the phenom- 
ena which we are observing are, of course, global, I look forward to 
hearing later in testimony from some of the men who are going to 
follow, further comment on that. I think this is one of the real 
problem areas, critical problem areas. Not only so far as international 
cooperation is concerned but so far as rights and responsibilities are 
concerned when it comes to commercial exploitation of the resources of 
the ocean. So I was glad to have that comment in there and I look for- 
ward to having further details on some of these areas brought out in 
later testimony. 
Then I want to comment also on page 16 where you point out that 
different parts of the oceanographic budget are considered separately 
by several committees of Congress and in this process the coherence 
of the program may not be visible to the separate committees and the 
integrity of the program may be lost. I think this is a tremendous 
probiem. It is a problem that the bill which is pending over in the 
Senate is partly aimed at. It is a problem that Mr. Casey touched on, 
and I want to express the hope that the Executive Office of the Presi- 
dent and the whole administration—now that the civil rights debate is 
over over there—can get behind this bill and urge its early passage by 
