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votes that each department has, or how does this agency come to make 
these decisions to recommend to you and then how do you decide it? 
Dr. Hornig. I will leave it to Dr. Wakelin to discuss the operation 
of the Interagency Committee itself. 
Mr. Rogers. All right, the Federal Council. 
Dr. Hornie. The Federal Council is a small body and operates in- 
formally, by consensus rather than by formal votes. 
Mr. Roczrs. What do you mean by consensus? You mean there is 
no way—suppose there is a disagreement? You mean no one ever 
disagrees ? 
Dr. Hornic. This would be an unusual body if that were so. 
Mr. Roerrs. I would think so. 
Dr. Hornie. I think the situation with regard to oceanography is 
that the Interagency Committee on Oceanography is a strong com- 
mittee. The Federal Council presumes that the major technical dis- 
putes over program details are resolved. 
Mr. Rogers. You would pretty much go along with the recom- 
mendation ? 
Dr. Hornic. Thatisright. Normally there is 
Mr. Rocrrs. Unless there is some overriding reason ? 
Dr. Hornte. That is right. 
Mr. Rocers. Have you ever turned down, since you have been here, 
recommendations that you can recall, just ‘to give us an example? 
Dr. Horna. I will leave this to Mr. Wakelin. I have been here 
only since February and have not, in fact, been through this debate on 
this particular program yet. 
Mr. Rocrrs. You have no votes, then, within the Federal Council, 
if there were a disagreement ? 
Dr. Hornic. In my experience we have never had to have votes. 
We have made recommendations where there were dissenting mem- 
bers, yes, but—— 
Mr. Rogsrs. What is the outcome in that situation ? 
Dr. Hornic. Since the Federal Council is basically an advisory 
committee to the Chief Executive, dissents on program scope or bal- 
ance are noted, and this then must be debated and resolved when the 
President’s budget is put together. 
Mr. Rocrers. Noted to whom? In other words, I am trying to de- 
termine who makes these decisions. Would this fall upon you as 
director to make the decision if there is any disagreement within your 
council ? 
Dr. Hornic. Yes, I and the Bureau of the Budget. make recom- 
mendations to the President. 
Mr. Rocers. Within the budgetary limitations? 
Dr. Hornic. Yes. : 
Mr. Rocrers. Who in the Bureau of the Budget? Do you have a 
representative that is an observer or a member of your Council? 
Dr. Hornte. No one person; my entire office works closely with the 
Bureau of the Budget. 
Mr. Rocrrs. You have no one specific person to work with in the 
Budget ? 
Dr. Hornie. No; not in general. 
Mr. Roerrs. Well, how do they keep informed? Do they have an 
observer with you ? 
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