14 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM—1965 
Dr. Hornic. My staff and Mr. Gordon’s staff are in very close con- 
tact. Weare at opposite ends of the same corridor. 
Mr. Rogers. Do they attend your Council meetings? I know in 
one—I guess on the Interagency Committee they do have an observer. 
Dr. Hornic. The Bureau of the Budget has an observer present at 
the Federal Council meetings. 
Mr. Rocezrs. Staats is the observer? I believe you have him listed 
here for the Federal Council. 
Dr. Horne. Yes. 
Mr. Rogers. Does he generally attend himself or have a representa- 
tive go in his place? 
Dr. Hornie. No, he is usually there himself. 
Mr. Rocers. So that there is close liaison between the two? 
Dr. Horniae. Yes. 
Mr. Rocrers. And you would say then the real decisions are made by 
Staats and by you if there is a disagreement within the Council? 
Dr. Hornig. Major controversies between agencies are settled by 
the President. But I would like to emphasize the essential role of 
the ICO. Normally there is a discussion process in which we try to 
resolve most of these issues at as early a stage as possible, and leave 
only major budget issues for final budgetary discussions. 
Mr. Rogers. I understand that. But I would think the very critical 
problems would be those which come to the Council where there is 
some major disagreement which would have to be resolved and I 
was interested to know who in the final analysis would resolve these 
differences. As I understand your testimony, it 1s after general dis- 
cussion with the Council, no specific vote would be taken but any 
disagreements would be noted, but it would be resolved by you in 
conjunction with conferring with the Bureau of the Budget. Would 
this be correct? 
Dr. Hornic. That is essentially correct. I do want to note histori- 
cally this is a correct statement. In fact, this careful review mecha- 
nism the ICO has adopted, including calling in the outside consultants 
by OST and making their advice available to ICO has produced a 
situation where I am not aware of the Federal Council’s having over- 
ruled the ICO any time in the recent past. 
Mr. Rocers. Now, in your advisory council. Who appoints that 
advisory council outside of the Government ? 
Dr. Hornic. That is appointed by me, or my office, but with con- 
sultation of ICO. 
Mr. Rocerrs. Is this rotated ? 
Dr. Hornic. Each year we appoint an ad hoc committee. 
Mr. Rocrrs. An ad hoc committee ? 
Dr. Hornic. Yes. 
Mr. Rocrers. People who are in the business or from what—— 
Dr. Hornic. We try to make it a representative group of able people 
in the field who can look at the ICO program and ask hard questions 
if there are questions to be asked. The responsibility, of course, has 
to remain within the Government. 
Mr. Rogers. I understand. 
Now, do you have a certain term of years or is it just a 1-year term 
that you appoint these people to ? 
