NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM—1965 1 
Dr. Hornic. Normally this committee is just called together for 
limited periodsin August and April. 
Mr. Rocrrs. Yes, I understand. I know you are new and you 
should feel free to ask any of your aids. I am going to conclude in 
just 1 minute, Mr. Chairman. 
So, your advisory committee perhaps meets once a year, the ad hoc 
committee ? 
Dr. Hornic. That is right. 
Mr. Rogers. How often does your Federal Council meet? 
Dr. Hornic. Well, the Federal Council meets once or twice a month. 
Mr. Rocrrs. Once or twice a month. And do you have actual par- 
ticipation by the people listed here in your book on national oceano- 
graphic program, fiscal year 1964, I believe you have listed them, or 
do they have representatives? 
Dr. Hornic. For the most part they attend. It depends on the 
seriousness of the issues that are coming up at any given meeting. 
Mr. Rogers. I wondered what participation you get ? 
Dr. Hornic. All of these members attend at least a considerable 
part of the meetings of the Federal Council. 
Mr. Rogers. Does this take a full day’s time, would you say ? 
Dr. Hornic. No, the Federal Council normally meets for about 3 
hours. 
Mr. Rocrrs. And you review these programs and recommendations 
made to you by the various committees ? 
Dr. Hornic. That is right. 
Mr. Rorers. And then you act after you have heard your advisory 
ad hoc group, or do you wait for their advice before taking any action, 
or how is that cordinated with your decisions? 
Dr. Horntc. Well, in this case the program is not normally pre- 
sented to the Federal Council until after the ICO has compared notes 
with the outside advisory group and taken its reactions into account. 
The Federal Council sees both the original proposals from ICO and 
the extensive critique prepared by the outside panel. 
Mr. Rocsrs. Does the cutside panel report directly to you or is it just 
a, coordinated report with the ICO? 
Dr. Hornic. The panel reports to me, but results are usually dis- 
cussed first with the ICO. It is not a question of deciding whether 
someone is right or wrong; the objective is to develop the best possible 
program. The consultants make their criticisms and remedies avail- 
able by discussion with the ICO. 
Mr. Rogers. And you say, of course, we can disscuss with Mr. Wake- 
lin how they determine priorities within the ICO, which are generally 
accepted by the Federal Council ? 
Dr. Hornic. That is correct. 
Mr. Rocrrs. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr. Lennon. Thank you, Mr. Rogers. 
Mr. Tupper has left, Mr. Mosher ? 
Mr. Mosurr. Mr. Chairman, of the many very interesting, impor- 
tant, and significant comments that Dr. Hornig has made in his state- 
ment, my special attention is called to this sentence on page 7: 
Research directed at understanding and exploiting the ocean and the atmos- 
phere offer the best possible opportunity for practical cooperation among nations 
and for developing stronger awareness throughout the world that our futures are 
bound together. 
