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informal conferences that this committee had with him in our efforts 
to work out a bill that would be acceptable to the Congress or at least 
to the House as it later developed, and to the executive branch of the 
Government. 
Now, I note on the second page of your statement that you, as the 
Chairman of the Federal Council for Science and Technology, and 
Director of the Office of Science and Technology, support the bill H.R. 
6997 that passed the House last year and is now reposing in the Senate. 
More particularly in the Committee on Commerce of the Senate. 
Is that support shared by the other members of the Federal Council 
for Science and Technology ? 
Dr. Hornic. Yes, so far as I know. I cannot speak for all the in- 
dividuals, but as a body the answer is “Yes.” 
Mr. Lennon. May I ask what you as the Director of the Office of 
Science and Technology and as Chairman, as an individual of the 
Federal Council for Sees and Technology, have so far done to 
indicate to the Senate Committee on Commerce your unqualified sup- 
port of the legislation that was approved by your predecessor and I 
might say approved by the Bureau of the Budget and at that time 
approved by the then President of the United States? 
Dr. Hornic. Well, I have engaged in verbal discussion; I am not 
sure whether we have communicated anything in writing or not before 
I was appointed in January. 
Mr. Lennon. Would it be appropriate, inasmuch as you have so 
stated for the record your feeling with respect to the legislation, te 
consider the propriety of asking the Federal Council to, by resolution 
or by communication to the distinguished gentleman from Washing- 
ton, Senator Magnuson, your views with respect to this legislation ? 
The gentleman from Washington has indicated to me early this year, 
and here it is now late June, that they wanted to have some hearings 
from some of the interested parties in the Great Lakes area. I think 
it would be helpful if you think this legislation is wise and is objective 
and the goal we are all seeking, I think it would be most helpful. 
Ordinarily, I think it is your duty if you have a feeling of confidence 
in the legislation to ask the Council to express in writing to the mem- 
bers of the Commerce Committee of the Senate, your support of the 
legislation. 
Let us either abandon any idea of getting the bill passed and have 
them say they will not support it, or get something meaningful from 
them rather than continue to pass the buck. 
Let me turn—and I cannot pursue it, Mr. Keith, because I asked you 
not to pursue it, because I felt that the members of the ICO respective 
agencies could better explain their difficulties with respect to obtain- 
ing what they hoped from the budget. 
I think all of us understand what you mean when you say on pages 
15 and 16 that you are disappointed that some elements of the program 
have not received support by the Congress, and this illustrates a prob- 
lem which I especially wish to call to this committee’s attention. 
I was thinking in that instance that if the particular person on the 
ICO representing, say, the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries, or repre- 
senting the Department of the Interior, would appear with the 
agency—the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries or the Bureau of Sport 
Fisheries—before the subcommittee that is considering their part of 
