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sible effort in the region of air-sea interaction. The sense in which 
it was delegated to Commerce was that they are to keep track of 
what everyone does, help coordinate these efforts, and full gaps in 
programs left unfilled by other agencies. 
I should also add that as regards these budgetary figures you men- 
tioned, what is not written down here are components of the 
atmospheric sciences budget that also contribute to the interaction 
program. The Department of Commerce has a coordinating and plan- 
ning role. The Navy has a vigorous program and is certainly en- 
couraged to carry on a vigorous program. 
(Documentation of the above subject may be found in app. 1, p. 155.) 
Mr. Baver. Thank you, sir. 
There is one further situation that occurs to me. 
This program that you have talked about is the nonclassified pro- 
gram of oceanography ; is that correct? 
Dr. Hornie. That is correct. 
Mr. Bauer. How much is the classified program in round figures? 
Dr. Hornig. There is a very substantial classified program but 
I think I would like to defer to Secretary Wakelin when he is before 
ou. 
Mr. Bavrer. What I am getting at is, Do you have the classified pro- 
gram of oceanography come within the cognizance of the ICO and 
the Federal Council as the total program ? 
Dr. Horntic. In general, not within the cognizance of ICO. 
Mr. Bauer. In other words, it is only a part of the total national 
oceanographic program which is considered by the ICO ? 
Dr. Hornie. That is correct. 
Mr. Baver. Are there any parts of the classified program that will 
benefit the unclassified program ? 
Dr. Hornic. The answer to that is “Yes,” and I think again Secre- 
tary Wakelin can elaborate a little. 
Mr. Baver. For the record I would like to point out that the classi- 
fied fiscal 1965 program was $386.5 million, and the unclassified pro- 
gram is about one-third of that. 
Now, there is one other consideration I think the committee would 
like to have cleared up, and that is when we talk about the unclassified 
oceanographic program, how much of this program existed before by 
the line functions of, say, the Department of Interior, Bureau of Com- 
mercial Fisheries, the Hydrographic Office of the Navy, that is now in 
the oceanographic program? In other words, are these figures able to 
show us the growth or lack of growth of the program since the Na- 
tional Academy of Sciences report ? 
Dr. Hornic. I think these figures give a reasonably good represen- 
tation. There was some redefinition. Surveys, which had not been 
included previously in oceanography, were included in later defini- 
tions of scope; this changed the figures a little, but I think the figures 
for the last few years give a reasonably accurate representation. 
Mr. Bauer. Now, one further question and I shall conclude. 
In the national oceanographic program have you taken account in 
any way of the capabilities of industry? I am referring particularly 
to the geophysical industry. In other words, as a nation, our pro- 
gram, it seems to me, should include the capabilities of the geophysical 
industry and other industries that have to do with the marine sciences. 
