36 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM—1965 
STATEMENT OF DR. JAMES H. WAKELIN, JR., ASSISTANT SECRE- 
TARY OF THE NAVY (RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT) AND 
CHAIRMAN, INTERAGENCY COMMITTEE ON CCEANOGRAPHY OF 
THE FEDERAL COUNCIL FOR SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY— 
Resumed 
Dr. Waxetin. This is in the budget of the U.S. Government for 
fiscal year 1965. It appears on page 65 under the general heading, 
“Administrative Budget Funds, Miscellaneous Receipts.” 
Under a heading entitled “Rents, Rent on Outer Continental Shelf 
Lands,” is the figure we have quoted here in my statement for a pro- 
jection into fiscal year 1965 of the expected returns from rent on Outer 
Continental Shelf lands. The 3 years, 1963, 1964, and 1965 are fol- 
lowing : 1963 actual, $359 million; estimate for 1964, $174 million; esti- 
mate for 1965, $262 million. 
I would presume, although I know nothing about the details of the 
rent arrangements, or where they are located, that these are mostly for 
petrochemical explorations, and removal of petrochemicals from the 
Continental Shelf. 
Mr. Kerrn. As I mentioned earlier, this is not exactly appropriate 
to a review of oceanography as such. 
We are very much concerned in our district with the oceanographic 
resources that are being tapped by the Russians. I received a phone 
call over the weekend from a Capt. Albert Dahl, who says that the 
Russians are so densely populating the offshore lobster fishing grounds 
that they cannot get through with their own boats. At some time I 
want to discuss with you further means of controlling the tapping of 
those resources in the absence of any payment of rent from foreign in- 
terests who are exploiting them. I do not believe it is appropriate to 
this discussion, but I would like to alert the public in general, and you 
in particular, to the need for further ern in this area. 
Dr. Waxetin. Being a native of your State, Mr. Keith, I have a 
high degree of personal interest in this particular problem. 
Mr. Kerra. Everyone does who likes lobster. 
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr. Lennon. Thank you, Mr. Keith. We are delighted to have 
with us this morning the ranking member of the minority of the full 
committee, who has over the years demonstrated a great deal of interest 
in this matter. He has been a help to this committee. We welcome 
him to this hearing. 
Would you like to question the witness? 
Mr. Totierson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
I did not hear the witness’ testimony yesterday. I have a couple of 
questions in mind that are very, very general, and they will sound 
amateurish to you. 
In 1959, one of our subcommittee went over to the Orient. We 
were in Japan and we met with Diet members interested in fisheries 
and shipping, and likewise met with Japanese departmental people 
having to do with fisheries. One of the things that struck me quite 
forcibly was the fact in those fishery meetings there was always a 
