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averaged out over a year. That is inordinately large, but stems I think 
from my personal interest in the problems of oceanography and the 
interest of the Navy Department in the science and technology of the 
oceans. 
Mr. Rocrrs. I would presume, perhaps, that other members who are 
not the chairman would not have to spend that much time on the Inter- 
agency Committee ? 
Dr. Waxetin. I cannot answer that in detail. I would like to offer 
an estimate that probably at least 20 percent of their time—I would 
think at least 20 percent of their time. 
Mr. Rocers. Do you operate your ships, oceanographic ships, by con- 
tract or by personnel in the departments of government? 
Dr. Waxeurn. In the Navy Department, we operate our ships by 
two different means: One, naval-staffed vessels in oceanography 
through the Naval Oceanographic Office; and two, those that are still 
owned by the Government but assigned to institutions are operated by 
them in their research work under contract, usually to the Office of 
Naval Research. 
Mr. Rocers. And of all of the oceanographic ships, how many would 
you say operate by contract ? 
Dr. Waxketin. Mr. Rogers, do you by any chance have the fiscal year 
1965 budget? Page 44, I believe, gives you a rundown of those ships, 
starting with the Conrad, built in 1963, down through the 1966-built 
date. 
The first is Lamont Geological Observatory. The next four are 
Navy. The next oneis Navy. Scripps, University of Washington— 
3 out of those 10 projected there are operated under contract. 
Mr. Rogers. What about those above? 
Dr. Waxetin. Those above are all operated by the Oceanographic 
Office. 
Mr. Rocrrs. None of those are contracted ? 
Dr. Waxetin. No. 
Mr. Rocrrs. Do you also contract with institutions who may own 
their own ships to do the work? 
Dr. WaxkELIN. Yes, we do. 
Mr. Rocrrs. What would be the extent of that work? 
You may not have this at hand. 
Dr. Waxetrin. Idonot. Icansupply it for the record. 
There are many private institutions who have what we call boats up 
to and including maybe 100 to 200 feet long, or maybe shorter than 
100 feet, who do special jobs in oceanograph. We can get you that 
for the record, Mr. Rogers. 
Mr. Rocers. I would appreciate it if we could have that for the 
record. 
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