50 NATIONAL OCEANOGRAPHIC PROGRAM—1965 
You will recall, Mr. Chairman, that the 1965 program was submitted 
to the Congress, to the House, and to the Senate, by the President— 
the long-range program was submitted by Dr. Wiesner. President 
Johnson submitted on the 19th of March of this year, both to the Sen- 
ate and to the House, this program in oceanography [indicating the 
1965 fiscal year document]. I think you referred to that in your 
opening remarks. 
Mr. Lennon. What was that figure ? 
Dr. WAKELIN. $138 million. 
Mr. Lennon. That was the figure for the budget ? 
Dr. WAKELIN. Yes. 
Mr. Lennon. And that was actually less than the budget figure 
for fiscal year 1964? 
Dr. Waxetin. We submitted a program to the Congress in 1964 of 
$156 million. 
Mr. Lennon. And for fiscal year 1965 ? 
Dr. WakeELtIn. $138 million, and fiscal year 1964 was $156 million. 
Mr. Lennon. You can hardly charge the Congress with the respon- 
sibility of that cut, can you? 
Dr. Waxkettn. No, sir; but the $156 million was reduced to about 
$124 million in congressional hearings. 
Mr. Lennon. You went to the budget with $175 million ? 
Dr. Waxetin. That is correct. 
Mr. Lennon. It was reduced from $175 million by the Bureau of 
the Budget to $138 million. It was reduced by Congress from $158 
million to what ? 
Dr. WaxKetrn. To $124 million last year. I do not know what it is 
going to be this year, because all the hearings are not completed, or the 
actions of committees are not complete. 
Mr. Lennon. What are the House figures? The House has passed 
all their appropriation bills except foreign aid. 
While you are looking that up, the point I am making is, your 
biggest cut for your oceanographic effort came from the Bureau of 
the Budget as distinguished from the cuts made by the Congress; is 
that not so? 
Dr. Waxettn. Yes, sir. The Bureau of the Budget did look at the 
whole program as this committee does. The other committees involved 
in other activities of our whole program do not look at the whole 
program. 
Mr. Lennon. As I have indicated, the Bureau of the Budget figure 
for fiscal year 1965 is $138 million. The House has passed 11 ap- 
propriation bills and there is only one yet to consider and I wonder 
how you fared on your $138 million ? 
Dr. Waxkettn. In the Navy I can say that we sustained a 5-percent 
cut in research, development, test, and evaluation, across the board. 
It remains to be determined whether that cut will be 5 percent in 
oceanography and antisubmarine warfare or whether this will be taken 
into other areas. We still have to reapportion that cut across the 
board in research, development, test, and evaluation, in which most 
of our oceanographic program resides. 
Mr. ExxtswortH. Will the gentleman yield? 
Mr. Lennon. Yes. 
