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Mr. Cassy. Thank you. 
Mr. Lennon. Mr. Pelly ? 
Mr. Peniy. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr. Lennon. Off the record a minute. 
( Discussion off the record.) 
Mr. Petiy. Mr. Chairman, I will ask my question afterward be- 
cause it deals more with an item of personal interest in fisheries. 
Mr. Lennon. He will be around. Thank you, Mr. Pelly. That is 
very helpful. 
Mr. Keith? 
Mr. Kerry. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr. McKernan, I am interested in your reference to more shore- 
based facilities. I believe you made a recommendation for more of 
these on page 16 of your testimony / 
Mr. McKernan. Yes, sir. 
Mr. Kerr. You say— 
« * * Hxisting oceanographic centers need to be expanded so as to extend 
the capabilities of their personnel. Large new marine technological institutes 
specializing in the various engineering aspects need to be established. An 
example of such a base is the proposed Interior Oceanographic Base at Tiburon, 
Calif., now occupied by skeleton planning groups from three agencies. Hmphasis 
here will be in scientific research, engineering research, surveys, and monitoring. 
Logistics, data handling, monitoring, and instrumentation will also be under- 
taken. 
I am a little concerned about your survey in this booklet headed 
“University Curriculum.” There is a tremendous amount of educa- 
tional talent available to oceanographers throughout the Jength and 
breadth of this country. It would seem to me that since these institu- 
tions are meagerly funded at the moment, to start another oceano- 
graphic base might just spread even thinner the funds available. 
Perhaps further development of such places as Scripps, Woods Hole, 
and the University of Rhode Island, American University, and the 
University of Washington would be better. 
At any rate, I would like to have you speak for just a moment, if 
you would, on why we need to have an entirely new base when we have 
existing facilities that perhaps could be further strengthened ? 
Mr. McKernan. Of course, this matter of strengthening our exist- 
ing facilities is a matter of concern to us with the emphasis now on 
economy. We are not proposing an immediate implementation. of 
this particular plan. This isan example, ina way, of our dream. We 
see the need for larger centers very near the ocean that can handle 
certain kinds of instruments and certain kinds of data very efficiently. 
For example, one of the plans we had for this particular base—in- 
cidentally, it is a Navy base, a part of which, at least, has practically 
been turned over now and which we are simply operating with a skele- 
ton stafi—we can see information about the ocean in the eastern 
Pacific or eventually throughout the entire Pacific being put into com- 
puters and used in predicting ocean weather as well as the atmospheric 
weather on the west coast of our United States much more accurately, 
from the Aleutian Islands, perhaps south to the Equator. 
We have done this on an experimental basis at the present time and 
we find that there are techniques becoming available to us which 
show tremendous promise for improving the predictability of fish 
catches and concentrations of fish along our coasts as well as the 
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