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Mr. Casey. Does this data have a practical application, or is it 
of a general scientific nature ? 
Dr. Maxwe.i. The data is of a scientific nature, but it has its prac- 
tical applications. 
One of the reasons for our undertaking this study of the tropical 
Atlantic was to learn more of the fishing conditions off the west coast 
of Africa. The data will be very useful in this problem. They are 
not only data on the physical and chemical properties of the ocean, 
but biological data and fishing data as well. 
Mr. Casry. Would you say we are getting sufficient return on what 
we might be exchanging with them ? 
In other words, are we getting an equal amount back, or are we 
doing more than we should ? 
Dr. Maxweun. On a quid pro quo basis, I would say we are not 
getting back what we are putting in, but I think we must keep in mind 
these agreements have cnly been entered inte fairly recently, in the 
last year or so. The Soviets have promised to send some of their data. 
Other countries have submitted data in much greater quantities than 
we, at least per capita. Canada has been one of the largest contrib- 
utors te the data center. 
There are other nations with which we have good relations in 
oceanography; for example, the United Kingdom, and some of the 
South American countries, who have not submitted any information. 
Mr. Casry. Are we trying to show leadership and good faith in try- 
ing to get the others to live up to the agreement, or are we holding 
back? 
Dr. Maxwetu. We are trying to do this, but we are keeping a care- 
ful eye on what is going on in the situation to make sure these other 
countries live up to their agreements in this area, and to insure that we 
are not the only one putting data in. 
Mr. Casey. How long do you think we should go on seeing if they 
live up-to the agreement? 
Dr. Maxwetu. We have had also from the Soviets a finite time by 
which they will submit data. I think we should see if they meet their 
schedules. They have said they would submit some other data some- 
time in the month of July. This commitment was made after they sub- 
mitted earlier this year a list of declared national programs. 
I might explain about these declared national programs. Once a 
country declares certain national programs it has underway, it carries 
with it an obligation to send the results of these programs into the 
world data centers. It has only been recently that the Soviets de- 
clared a large number of these programs with the full intention of 
sending the data to the world data centers. 
Mr. Casey. Going through your statement rapidly, I notice that the 
Second World Conference on Oceanography is probably going to be 
held in Russia ; is that correct ? 
Dr. Maxweti. That is correct. 
Mr. Casry. In 1966. Where was the first one held ? 
Dr. Maxwetu. It was held in 1959 in the United Nations in New 
York. ‘This was under the sponsorship of the American Association 
for the Advancement of Science and UNESCO. 
The Commission, at its third session last week, approved the Soviets’ 
offer to hold the next International Oceanographic Congress in the 
