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Mr. Totterson. No questions. 
Mr. Rocrrs. Commander, what is the overall budget for your Panel ? 
Commander Nycren. Surveys for 1965, sir, were $25,114,000, 
Mr. Rocrers. Would you name the top three departments that will 
spend that money; in other words, the major portion of the money for 
the top three departments. 
Commander Nyeren. The Department of Commerce—— 
Mr. Rocrrs. How much is that? 
Commander Nreren. It is on page 40; $9,101,000. 
Mr. Rocrrs. And the next one? 
Commander Nyeren. Of course Defense had $14,704,000. 
Mr. Rocers. Is that mainly Navy ? 
Commander Nreren. Yes, sir. 
Mr. Rocrrs. Any Army ? 
Commander Nyeren. The Army has $1 million. 
Now, there is no figure broken out of that for ocean surveys for the 
Army. 
val Rocsrrs. No ocean survey is being conducted by the Army? 
Commander Nyeren. No, sir. 
There is a matter of definition that has come up as to what is 
survey and what is research. Some agencies have no money for sur- 
veys, but actually some of the work they are doing amounts to survey 
type work—for instance, exploratory fishing. 
Mr. Rocers. Do you coordinate these reports ? 
Commander Nyeren. Yes, sir. 
Mr. Rocers. You get all of these various reports even though they 
are not designated as surveys? 
Commander Nyeren. Panel members have been discussing how 
better to define these categories, sir. It is a problem of what you are 
going to call something. 
Mr. Rocrers. What I was wondering, do you actually get the re- 
ports?) Are they brought in by Panel members? 
Commander Nyeren. Yes. The Panel at the present time is ob- 
taining these figures from the various agencies to make the 1966 
presentation. 
Mr. Rocrrs. And how long has your Panel been established ? 
Commander Nyeren. This Panel has been established since the ICO 
was established. This is an outgrowth of the task group B appointed 
in 1959. 
Mr. Rocrrs. Do you work closely with an ad hoc committee? 
Commander Nyeren. Yes. We had a meeting with the National 
Academy of Sciences Committee. The ad hoc committee that was 
discussed the other day of the Federal Council has not met with the 
ve Surveys Panel. The Chairman of the Ocean Surveys Panel 
as met, 
Mr. Rocrrs. With the ad hoc committee? 
Commander Nyeren. Yes. 
Mr. Rogers. Is that the normal procedure, that he takes the Panel 
recommendation and discusses it with the ad hoc committee ? 
Commander Nycren. Or vice versa. 
Mr. Rocrrs. They make the recommendations to you ? 
Commander Nyeren. Yes, sir. 
Mr. Rocrrs. Rather than going over your program? 
