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ration of the oceanographic ship-operating schedules. During other 
times of the year there is more need for informal contacts rather than 
formal panel meetings. 
Mr. Lennon. Does your panel have occasion to meet from time to 
time with other panels who are interested in other closely related 
objectives ? 
Captain Treapwett. We have never met formally with them as two 
panels. We quite frequently attend the other panels’ meetings to 
insure, particularly with the research and with the ocean survey panels, 
that their needs are being met in the shipbuilding program. 
Mr. Lennon. Does your recommendation of your panel go to the 
ICO or to the respective agency involved, or to both? 
Captain TrEapweE Lu. It goes to both. It goes formally to the ICO, 
and it goes back both through the panel representatives and the ICO 
representatives to the agency concerned. So, we wind up, hopefully, 
both with an agency-approved program and with an ICO-approved 
program. 
Mr. Lennon. Mr. Bauer, who is the consultant to the full commit- 
tee and assigned to this committee and hearings of this nature, we are 
glad to have you, sir. I wonder if you and chief counsel, Mr. Drewry, 
have any questions you would like to ask of the captain ? 
Mr. Bauer. I have several, Mr. Chairman, that were more or less 
referred by the previous witness at the last meeting, Commander 
Nygren, inasmuch as Captain Treadwell is in a better position, being 
in the Navy. 
The question is, is the availability of naval vessels for ocean surveys 
more or less precluded for the near future by virtue of the necessity 
of Navy survey vessels engaging in special surveys of interest only to 
the Navy ? 
Captain TREADWELL. Yes, as far as having ships set specifically aside 
to do nothing except general charting of the oceans. I do not foresee 
within the next year or so that any Navy ships can be so assigned. 
We had a ship in the 1964 budget which was earmarked for this work; 
it was cut out by the Senate, for, I am sure, very good reasons. 
I think I should make it clear, though, that the Navy, along with 
all other agencies, although they have no ships specifically assigned to 
the oceanwide survey program, do, in fact, contribute very heavily 
to it. 
To take the Navy as a specific example, practically everything that 
we do contributes to the program. There is so much of the ocean 
which is unknown that you can go out there and survey almost any- 
where and be generating new information. Even our classified work, 
once it can be downgraded or sanitized to the point where it is avail- 
able for general distribution, does contribute to the program. 
We also have a very active program for ships of opportunity, the 
utilization of nontechnical ships, which contributes to this. 
Mr. Bauer. Captain, you have quite a program, do you not, in the 
Nee for utilizing ships of opportunity? I would like you to talk 
o that. 
Captain TREADWELL. Yes, sir. 
Asa matter of fact, if it were not for the ships of opportunity, the 
Navy would be even further behind than it is in its survey program. 
One of the main sources of ship of opportunity data in the Navy, 
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