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Mr. Adams. $687,000 was budgeted for professionals in fiscal year 

 1979. Those figures are not shown in the 1979 budget. By adminis- 

 trative costs, do you mean payroll, sir? 



Mr. Studds. Well, it is not volunteer work down there, is it? 



Mr. Adams. No, sir; it is not. But those figures are not indicated 

 here. I could provide those for you. 



Mr. Studds. So when you say the biomass budget for 1979, you 

 mean only those funds going to research grants of one kind or 

 another? 



Mr. Adams. Yes, sir; to contracts or direct support of those 

 contracts. 



Mr. Studds. It does not say that the program which you are 

 responsible for does not spend more of the taxpayers' dollars, they 

 just do not show up here, correct? 



Mr. Adams. Our payroll, sir, does not show in this pie. 



Mr. Studds. How many folks do you have working in this field? 



Dr. San Martin. In Washington we currently have six profes- 

 sionals on the payroll, working in the biomass branch. 



Mr. Studds. Six? 



Dr. San Martin. Yes, sir. But in following the philosophy that 

 the Department of Energy is currently utilizing in decentralizing 

 the day-to-day technical management, we work with other organi- 

 zations that supply additional technical experts to support these 

 activities. 



For instance, the portions of the biomass program are managed 

 for us on a day-to-day basis by the National Solar Institute, and 

 they have greater resources available to do this than we have at 

 headquarters. 



Mr. Studds. I understand that, but how many people work for 

 the Department of Energy? 



Mr. Adams. The figure that I hear is 20,000 people. 



Mr. Studds. Of whom six are working in biomass? 



Mr. Adams. Yes, sir; that is correct. 



Mr. Studds. How many 



Mr. Adams. Six professionals, sir. 



Mr. Studds. As opposed to clerical personnel, you mean. 



Mr. Adams. That is correct. We have additional clerical. 



Mr. Studds. Perhaps I should ask how many professional people 

 work for the Department of Energy in the broader sense of the 

 word. 



Mr. Adams. I do not have that figure, sir. 



Mr. Studds. I am just trying to get some relative figures obvious- 

 ly. How many professionals work in ocean thermal energy? 



Mr. Adams. I do not have that precise figure for you, sir, but I 

 believe the figure is eight. 



Mr. Studds. Eight? 



Mr. Adams. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Studds. I do not think I dare ask any more questions here. 



Let me go back to your pie. Thirty-two percent goes to thermal 

 chemical conversion. In layman's terms, that is what? 



Mr. Adams. That would be the application of heat to a biomass 

 form, perhaps involving catalysis and perhaps steam to convert 

 that to either gases or liquid products. 



Mr. Studds. For example, the distillation of alcohol or what? 



