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Mr. Adams. Distillation of alcohol would be biochemical process. 



Mr. Studds. Where does Mr. Emery's wood stove come in here? 



Mr. Adams. A wood stove would be in the thermal chemical split. 



Mr. Emery. I thought we used a match, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Studds. I do not know if you folks up there are aware of 

 thermal chemical conversion. 



Are we doing research into wood stoves down there? 



Dr. San Martin. No, Mr. Chairman. The wood stove business is. 



Mr. Studds. Highly developed technology. 



Dr. San Martin. Highly developed technology. 



Mr. Studds. OK. Thermal chemical conversion includes things 

 like the distillation of alcohol? 



Dr. San Martin. Right. 



Mr. Studds. Terrestrial biomass production, 9 percent; integrated 

 production and conversion systems, 13 percent. 



What is that? 



Mr. Adams. That is a combination of captive farms of one sort or 

 another. 



Mr. Studds. Captive farms? 



Mr. Adams. Captive farms in which the harvest would be cut and 

 produced and then converted into thermal chemically or by some 

 other means. 



Mr. Studds. What is a captive farm? 



Mr. Adams. It is an integrated facility where trees or some other 

 form of biomass would be grown specifically for energy conversion 

 as opposed to residues from the forest. 



Mr. Studds. Do you really have, in a captive farm, which you 

 perceive to be an entity, such as a tree, for lack of another word for 

 it 



Mr. Adams. This would be a facility in which you could envision 

 a conversion plant of one type or another with its own dedicated 

 feedstock supply. 



Mr. Studds. I apologize. We are dealing with a language barrier, 

 as you know. 



I did not realize it was an integrated facility. Do you, by any 

 chance, have any research going on on the possibility of utilizing 

 sewage sludge for conversion into methane or is there such a 

 possibility? 



Mr. Adams. No, sir; not under my direction. That could well be 

 in another part of DOE and, in other words, the municipal solid 

 waste program in DOE is under the direction of the Assistant 

 Secretary for Conversion and Solar. 



Mr. Studds. Do you ever talk with him or her? 



Mr. Adams. Yes, sir; I certainly do. 



Mr. Studds. But we have a lot of that stuff which 



Mr. Adams. We do not 



Mr. Studds [continuing]. We are putting into the oceans, so that 

 is your department. 



Mr. Adams. We do not ourselves conduct research into that area. 



Mr. Studds. One final question and then I will turn it over to the 

 other folks here. 



I assume that a good deal of this research, or am I incorrect in so 

 assuming, is going on in other parts of this country, and in other 

 countries? 



