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Mr. Adams. If one takes that alcohol all the way to essentially an 

 anhydrous state 



Mr. FoRSYTHE. You have got to if you are going to burn it in an 

 automobile. 



Mr. Adams. No, you do not. 



Mr. FORSYTHE. No? 



Mr. Adams. No, sir; you do not. You can run it without fixing it 

 with gasoline and run it as 180-proof alcohol. 



Mr. FoRSYTHE. 180 proof, all right. 



Mr. Adams. And stay completely away from the so-called ace- 

 tophric distillation. Stay completely away from that and just burn 

 it as alcohol without mixing it with gasoline. 



Mr. Studds. I am going to have to interrupt for a minute. 



Mr. Adams, at the risk of delaying the entire national research 

 program, which we are interested in accelerating, we are going to 

 have to ask you if you possibly can return at 1 o'clock. What we 

 face now is a series of votes so there will be little point in running 

 back and forth every 10 minutes. 



So we are going to recess the subcommittee until 1 o'clock. 

 Would it be possible for you to return? I am told that both Mr. 

 Forsjiihe and Mr. Emery have a number of questions, and I would 

 urge you in the interim to do much research on the northeastern 

 rockweed and Irish moss. 



Thank you very much. The committee is adjourned. 



[Whereupon, at 11:43 a.m., the subcommittee recessed, to recon- 

 vene at 1 p.m., the same day.] 



AFTERNOON SESSION 



Mr. Studds. The subcommittee will resume. 



Thank you very much, Mr. Adams, for returning. 



Mr. Forsythe will now ask his questions and then do his best 

 possible imitations of Mr. Emery. 



Mr. Forsythe. That is a challenge that I would not even touch, 

 Mr. Chairman. 



I think we were in the middle of this problem of Btu's and 

 alcohol primarily. I think it is of great concern that we try and be 

 very sure that we keep this record clear, and I am not talking 

 about your testimony specifically. I am talking in the broad sense. 



I think it is very easy for members, most particularly those 

 perhaps who do not have a scientific background to get out in left 

 field with energy inputs that are just unreal. I am not actually 

 positive, before we departed for lunch, where we left you, Mr. 

 Adams. Did you have further comments to make? If not, I would 

 like to talk about methyl alcohol and methane, as opposed to the 

 grain alcohol. Is there not a basic net plus in the fact that we are 

 utilizing the total net base rather than just the general seaweed? 



Mr. Adams. I have not personally, although people who work for 

 me in the organization may well have looked at the net energy on 

 the methyl energy question as opposed to the fermentation 

 processes. 



I would say this much about it, though. The processes involved 

 are very different from an engineering standpoint, very, very dif- 

 ferent kind of processes, to produce methyl alcohol. The most 

 straightforward way would be to gasify the biomass and produce a 



