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Mr. Studds. Thank you very much, Mr. Katz. 



Let me start out with the most explicit questions, just to get 

 some sense of relative importance associated at least by DOE with 

 these various potential sources of energy. 



Your figures for the fiscal 1981 budget request show $1.19 million 

 for waves, $0.48 million for currents, and none whatsoever for 

 salinity gradient and none whatsoever for tidal; is that right? 



Dr. Katz. Your figures are correct. 



Mr. Studds. This is extraordinarily modest. Let's put those in 

 some perspective. 



You head what? 



Dr. Katz. The Office of Solar Power Applications. 



Mr. Studds. The Office of Solar Power Applications, and under 

 you is the Division of Ocean Energy and 



Dr. Katz. Wind Energy Systems. 



Mr. Studds. What is the total budget of the Office of Solar 

 Applications? 



Dr. Katz. Our total figure in the President's budget for fiscal 

 1981 is $126 million. 



Mr. Studds. $126 million? 



Dr. Katz. That is correct. 



Mr. Studds. And of that, how much goes to the Division of Ocean 

 Energy? 



Dr. Katz. $39 million. 



Mr. Studds. Thirty-nine. The balance goes to wind? 



Dr. Katz. That is correct, $87 million. 



Mr. Studds. $87 million to wind. It seems to me not very many 

 years ago in my first term I had a discussion with the Federal wind 

 program. It was one man. 



Dr. Katz. Many years ago it was one man. 



Mr. Studds. I said not many years ago. That is a dramatic 

 change. So you have $39 million in total in ocean energy, the bulk 

 of which, I assume, is in OTEC? 



Dr. Katz. That is correct, by far. 



Mr. Studds. Of the sources we are discussing today you have a 

 total of a little over $1.5 million. What is the total budget of the 

 Department of Energy? 



Dr. Katz. I believe that the fiscal year 1981 budget request for 

 the entire Department, including military applications, is about 

 $12.6 billion. 



Mr. Studds. $12.6 billion. Those figures speak very clearly for 

 themselves. 



In your current research on waves and currents, are you looking 

 primarily or exclusively on engineering and resource assessment 

 questions, or are you also actively analyzing the kinds of environ- 

 mental and institutional questions that may ensue? 



Dr. Katz. I would have to say that we are primarily looking at 

 the engineering and resources systems questions but not exclusive- 

 ly looking at them. There is some work going on in the environ- 

 mental and institutional areas, and perhaps Mr. Richards can give 

 us some comments on that area. 



Mr. Richards. Most work in the environmental area has been 

 superficial on waves and currents other than looking at the impact 

 on local climatology. We have looked at some of the specific issues 



