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Was that disposal of the nuclear submarine accidental, or done 

 purposely? 



Mr. Studds. No, it was a matter of policy. 



Mr. Carney. I see. Thank you. 



Mr. Studds. The reactor was successfully sunk. 



Mr. Carney. We successfully sunk one of our own. 



Mr. Studds. And they have attempted, subsequently, to find it, 

 and they cannot. 



Mr. Carney. How many dumpsites do we have within our terri- 

 torial waters? 



Mr. Studds. Are you asking me? 



Mr. Carney. No, I looked your way. I was kind of smiling at you, 

 the way you answered the first question, but I was addressing the 

 witness, Mr. Brown. 



Mr. Brown. At the moment, we have no dumpsites within our 

 waters, except the ones that seem to be — that Congressman Ander- 

 son referred to. There may be some that are within 12 miles, but 

 most of them are 40, 50, 60 miles offshore, and most of them we 

 seem to have lost track of. 



If you go back to the fifties and sixties, when we were doing some 

 dumping, the records are adequate, you can answer your ques- 

 tion 



Mr. Studds. Let me encourage you not to ask the Department of 

 State what occurs within our territorial waters. 



Mr. Carney. All I am trying to do is get a handle on the total 

 amount of radioactive material that has been dumped in the 

 oceans to this date. I do not know if Mr. Brown is the witness to 

 ask that question of. 



I perhaps should have saved that for our next panel of witnesses. 



Mr. Brown. I think I might defer to them. 



Mr. Carney. You had mentioned various dumpsites, and I was 

 wondering offhand if you had known that. I think my line of 

 questioning would be best to ask of the next panel, Mr. Chairman. 



Thank you. 



Mr. Studds. Mr. Akaka? 



Mr. Akaka. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Secretary, we have been eagerly awaiting the opportunity to 

 hear what this Nation is doing to research the disposal of nuclear 

 waste in the ocean, and as a representative of Hawaii, I am deeply 

 disturbed by the possible effects of radioactive waste in the oceans. 



I also speak for the people of the Pacific, as we all know, the 

 effects of nuclear energy is not new to the islands of the Pacific. 

 We have received reports, from time to time, that some are taking 

 place, with low-level material around the Pacific area, areas can be 

 named, but it is disturbing to the communities of the Pacific, 

 because many of the people there depend on the ocean for their 

 livelihood, for their food, and we are very concerned that this 

 might be affecting the lives of the people in the Pacific, and there- 

 fore we look at our Nation, and wonder, in case of Japan's recent 

 announcement to drop 10,000 barrels of low-level waste in an area 

 about 600 miles north of Guam, and my question to you is, what 

 has been the response of the the United States to these plans that 

 Japan has? 



