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I have one question here from Mr. Pritchard. He wants to know 

 how much ship time of the NOAA research fleet has been allocated 

 for the mapping of possible subseabed emplacement sites. 



Mr. Walsh. At the present time, none. We were discussing that 

 with DOE. I want to add my 2 cent's worth, if I could. 



In areas in which there is uncertainty about responsibility re- 

 garding ocean activities, decisions about who should do what tend 

 to be made by the Office of Management and Budget. They make 

 those decisions based on who has the function. 



Presently we are under some pressure, to cut down in NOAA 

 interagency support programs as a way of cutting personnel. That 

 results in agencies like EPA, who would rather come to NOAA and 

 try to get the expertise aboard ships, being faced with our need to 

 retrench deeper and deeper into our own responsibilities, and we're 

 not able to provide those services to EPA. 



It's a problem that concerns me very much, because I guarantee 

 you that if every agency in the Federal Government develops the 

 capability we have in NOAA, there will be a lot of waste. 



Mr. Studds. This is your last appearance no doubt before this 

 and perhaps any other subcommittee in your current disguise. I am 

 sure you'll be back, in spite of some of the judgments made by the 

 people from — I assume that's your home State way out there 



Mr. Walsh. No, I was born and raised in Oregon. 



Mr. Studds. Oh. [Laughter.] 



OK. Well, enough of this between the lines. I am sure we'll see 

 you again, and I certainly appreciate the breadth and diversity of 

 the testimony we have received from you in the past — how many 

 years has this administration been in? Four, I guess. 



Mr. Walsh. I can't remember. [Laughter.] 



Mr. Studds. It seems forever. 



Thank you very much. The best of luck to you. 



Mr. Walsh. Thank you, sir. 



Mr. Studds. Our next witness is Mr. Clifton Curtis of the Center 

 for Law and Social Policy. 



Mr. Curtis? 



Your testimony is fairly lengthy, and I would encourage you, if 

 you can and if you will, to summarize it. It will appear in its 

 entirety in the record. 



Mr. Curtis. I will do that, Chairman Studds. 



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