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mittee. I wonder if you would agree with me, and this is my own view, 
that these great scientific achievements in going to the moon have 
demonstrated one thing, and that is that we have to look more to the 
frontiers in our own globe for finding food and minerals against the 
growing population of this country. I don’t think we are going to find 
a, refuge or resources in the moon or Mars or anything else. 
Now, If that same spirit of achievement is translated into a new 
agency in government to explore our own sea and seabed, it is going 
to provide what maybe the last source of protein and other needs for 
the people. Haven’t you come to the conclusion that to watch men walk 
on the moon points up the fact that right here is where we have to 
start plowing where we haven’t plowed before ? 
Governor Scorr. Yes, sir. You have expressed my sentiments very 
clearly. I think all of us are proud of the accomplishments of our space 
program and the men who participated. We have a great national 
pride in this, and I think we look forward to further exploration of 
the universe, but I think we must be conscious that all of our frontiers 
here at home have not been fully explored and this is what I was re- 
ferring to a moment ago about the State of ‘North Carolina coming 
to realize that we have an unexplored frontier right with us and it is 
something that is tangible to us, is right there, and we have the potential 
and we want to get on with developing this resource that will benefit 
the population here in the United States and in the world, as I see it. 
Mr. Petry. Well, I would certainly like you to know that our chair- 
man has patiently and persistently worked and tried to get legisla- 
tion and get as far as we are today. It has been a ereat pleasure for 
me to work with him. It wasn’t easy because we didn’t always have 
those in the executive branch that agreed with the approach of the 
legislative branch, and we didn’t have any unity between the other 
body and ourselves at the time, but Mr. Lennon has really done a 
yeoman job in carrying this forward. I am sure you know of that, 
but I think you should know that some of us who work with him 
appreciate him and his very fine work and respect and admire him and 
enjoy working with him. 
We certainly appreciate the fact that you have come here today and 
made this very fine statement. Thank you. 
Mr. Lennon. Thank you, Mr. Pelly. 
Mr. Downing. 
Mr. Downrtne. Senator Scott, it is a real honor to have you before 
our subcommittee today. I hope by now you know how much we 
appreciate North, Carolina’s contribution in Alton Lennon. He has 
done a terrific job in bringing this thing to fruition. 
As a neighbor of yours I have witnessed your progress and, believe 
me, it has been great. J remember when I was a young boy I used to 
say about North Carolina there were two classes of people there, dead 
rich and dead poor. 
Mr. Lennon. Are we still on the record ? 
Mr. Downrnc. But now, through some great Governors, you, Terry 
Sanford, you have really got North Carolina going. 
I am interested in this council that you formed. You have marine 
science outlets in North Carolina, but in addition to that you formed 
the Governor’s Council on Marine Sciences. Tell us a little bit about 
that and a little bit more about the purpose of this council. 
