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Governor Scorr. That is debatable. 
Mr. Downtnc. Is your 21 members somewhat unwieldy, Mr. Jones? 
Mr. Lennon. Mr. Jones, will you come up next to the Governor and 
then you may have the use of the microphone. I didn’t mean for you 
to leave. I meant just bring up another chair and shift the mike be- 
tween you. Thank you, gentlemen. 
Mr. Downtne. Do you find that rather large number to be unwieldy ? 
Mr. Jonss. No, sir. This is not really a problem in that we break 
ourselves down into subcommittees and task forces to work on specific 
aspects of the problem and then we bring it back before the full coun- 
cil and get their reflection and their study of the recommendations of 
these task forces. 
Mr. Downrne. And this council I suppose could coordinate the Fed- 
eral legislation with State legislation and so forth ? 
Mr. Jonzs. Yes, sir. Our objective here is to put it all together into 
one package so that no one is working in conflict with another, that 
we allocate functions among institutions and agencies so that they 
complement rather than to contradict, and this is the function of it. 
IT might say that we have a technical committee that works along 
there. with the council at the present time because this is a technical 
area and many of these people on the council have a genuine interest 
and are people with analytical minds that can make judgments as to 
whether it is good or bad, but we do need people like John Lyman, 
who is an oceanographer and the man who can really get down to the 
science matters of it. 
Mr. Downtnce. How much money did North Carolina appropriate 
to establish this council ? 
Mr. Jones. It didn’t necessarily appropriate any money to estab- 
lish the agency. What it did was to appropriate money to support and 
back up the plans of the council that, in turn, would give support to 
the institutions that are being tied in through this council to carry 
forward with their plans and programs that the council is helping 
them to put together. 
A lot of this money, the $1.8 million that was referred to, would be 
money that would back up the Office of Sea Grants, the programs we 
might get through them, the Coastal Plains Commission’s program. It 
would match the contribution that we hope that we would get from 
the Federal Government to carry out the plans that the council is 
putting together. 
Mr. Downine. I think it is an excellent idea. Thank you very much. 
Thank you very much, Governor. 
Mr. Lennon. Mr. Schadeberg. 
Mr. Scuapgperc. Governor Scott, I have no questions, but would 
like to state that it looks very much like you have rolled up your 
sleeves and gone to work. I want to thank you for your testimony. 
Mr. Lennon. Thank you. 
Mr. Karth? 
Mr. Kartu. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
IT want to join my colleagues, Governor, in extending a welcome to 
you here before the committee. I must confess that Minnesota, being 
as landlocked as we are and not having the benefits of such a coastal 
zone as you have, undoubtedly has not contributed nearly as much as 
your great State through you and your predecessors and the members 
