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difference among any of the witnesses. There was some difference with 
respect to the Government structure, but not enough to give us any 
great concern. You put your finger on it when you said that agencies, 
departments, and bureaus which have substantial operational func- 
tions within those agencies which are engaged in the marine sciences, 
whatever type it may be, look with a little bit of disdain upon giving 
up any meaningful part of their governmental structure. We recognize 
this. 
Frankly, we had hoped that by mid-June, we were almost assured 
that by mid-June, the administration witnesses would be ready to 
testify, but they have asked that their time be extended to September, 
and we are going to conform to their request. 
Now if you or anyone who is here from North Carolina, your staff 
or associates, would like to add anything to what you said, we would 
be delighted to hear from you now or, if either you, Governor Scott, 
or anyone here from North Carolina would like to add a supplemental 
statement to what you have said or answer any questions more in de- 
tail that may have been raised, the record will be kept open for a 
reasonable period of time for that purpose. 
Mr. Garmatz? 
Mr. Garmatz. If the gentleman will permit, I was interested in the 
statement that Senator Pell made yesterday and you mentioned part 
of it. If I may read part of his statement for the Governor, he goes on 
to say: 
Mr. Chairman, we in the Congress are considering this report in the midst of 
a renewed public interest and enthusiasm in the exploration of outer space, 
prompted by the dazzling success of the Apollo mission. I, too, have been deeply 
impressed, even awed, at this magnificent achievement. 
I would not venture to enter the competition in seeking for appropriate ad- 
jectives to describe the first extra-territorial visit by man. I would simply say 
it is historic. 
But I was struck recently by the historic context which the space program 
was placed by Mr. Peter F. Drucker in his very. perceptive book, “The Age of 
Discontinuity.” 
Searching for historical precedents, Mr. Drucker recalled that ancient Egypt 
some 7,000 years ago produced two truly historic 'achievements—the building of 
the first pyramid, and the invention of the plow. The building of the pyramid had 
a profound philosophical impact on man, but the invention of the plow, by in- 
creasing agricultural productivity, virtually restructured human society. 
And then Mr. Drucker expressed the opinion that in our age, “space explora- 
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tion is our ‘pyramids’ and the exploration of the oceans our ‘plow’. 
That is all, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr. Lennon. The reason I didn’t do that is because you know Gov- 
ernor Scott comes from long forebearers of agricultural people in 
Durham, and if I got him into a discussion of what the plow meant 
to civilization, we would be here for a week. 
Mr. Garmatz. I thank the chairman. Thank you. 
Mr. Lennon. We appreciate your appearance here this morning and 
look forward to seeing you on at least another occasion this evening. 
Mr. Garmarz. I also wish to tell the Governor that we have two other 
staff members from the great State of North Carolina, Mr. Winfield 
who has been with us for almost 18 years, and Mr. Ned Everett who 
was here just a moment ago who is counsel for the Subcommittee on 
Fisheries and Wildlife Conservation. 
I want to say that they are doing an excellent job on the overall 
committee, 
