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3. How much of the total flow of dollars reflects actual support of 
the educational enterprise, and what fraction of the dollars therefore 
benefits the university in accomplishing its real purpose ? 
I presume that we are continually seeking to evolve the most effec- 
tive org ganizational structures within See within industry, . 
and within universities (as well as at their interfaces), in order to 
get the necessary tasks performed which Government requires, and 
to provide necessary support for the educational enterprises. How 
industry may participate more appropriately in these Government- 
university relationships may, I believe, offer some interesting possibil- 
ities which have not yet been explored. 
Mr. Lennon. I have been involved for some time in a subcommittee 
that has gone into this thing rather carefully as it is related to DOD 
problems ‘and the service pr oblems, and it will shake you up sometimes 
when you get into it, as the subcommittee of which I am a member 
has for the last period. of time. 
I know it concerns all responsible administrators at the college and 
university level. Doctor, we do appreciate your appearance here: today 
and the statement that you have made. It is obvious to me, as I have 
indicated before, that this statement is meaningful, it offers a lot of 
challenge as to which direction we should go. 
We certainly do not want to create a Government structure, a na- 
tional advisory committee, and see the very same things happen that 
you called our attention to in this statement with respect to the ocean 
sciences, the marine sciences. 
I know that counsel and the members of the committee will be back 
in touch with you to get your advice and counsel when we get to the 
draft stage of our hearings. 
Thank you very much, sir, for your appearance. 
The committee will stand in recess until tomorrow morning at 10 
o'clock, when our witness will be Mr. Elmer P. Wheaton, Lockheed 
Aircraft Corp 
Mr. Wheaton is president of the Marine Technology Society, and 
chairman of the Panel on Vehicles, Platforms and Equipment of the 
Committee on Ocean Engineering of the National Academy of 
Engineering. 
Also ¢ appearing will be Dr. Francis T. Christy, Jr., of Resources for 
the Future, Washington, D.C.; chairman of the Economics Commit- 
tee, Marine Technology Society; ; and member of the Executive Com- 
mittee, Law of the Sea Institute, University of Rhode Island. 
We look forward to hearing these gentlemen tomorrow. 
With that, the committee will stand in recess until tomorrow 
morning at 10 o’clock. 
Thank you very much. 
( Whereupon, at 12 noon the committee recessed, to reconvene for 
further hearing at 10 a.m. Thursday, August 7, 1969.) 
