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Tn your capacity as consultant and since the Bureau of Commercial 
Fisheries through the Department of the Interior is represented on 
the National Council, have you articulated your views to the Council 
as you have done today ? 
Dr. Curisty. Yes, I have, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr. Lennon. Have you met with any reasonably enthusiastic 
response ? 
Dr. Curisty. Let me say that there has been a limited response. I 
think that in the last issue of the Marine Science Affairs, there was 
some greater degree of recognition of the problems and difficulties 
than there had been in the previous ones, and when I was consulting 
on this particular issue I had the full support of the Bureau of Com- 
mercial Fisheries at that time. 
Mr. Lennon. What you are suggesting here in substance is a system 
comparable to what we had in the Department of the Interior with 
respect to leases to the petroleum industry, where once you obtained 
a lease you had authority to exploit the resources found in that par- 
ticular lease area. 
Dr. Curisty. Exactly, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr: Lennon. You are suggesting, too, that the Federal] Government 
ultimately will perhaps have to move in regarding the migratory fish 
taken in international waters, or in territorial waters at least, but we 
have this problem, too. 
We are not like some of our nations to the south of us, hke Peru and 
Chile and, to be exact, four others, where they claim out to the 200- 
mile limit in the territorial sea. What good would this do if the Rus- 
sian trawler fleet with the mother ship, Canry, was out there 30 miles 
off the coast, just taking all of our fish? 
Weare affected by that, too, aren’t we? 
Dr. Curisty. We certainly are. I know that where a fishery is used 
internationally, voluntary controls, unilateral controls upon entry by 
one State are not feasible. It would have to begin with those stocks 
that are not fished internationally, and then perhaps the system can 
be elaborated throughout some of the international fisheries. 
I might point out that the Soviets and the Japanese, for example, 
do operate under a limited entry scheme. 
Mr. Lennon. You certainly have raised some most interesting and 
challenging observations here as to how we ultimately have to proceed 
to somehow or other recapture for the American people a reasonable 
part of our total consumption of edible fish both for commercial pur- 
poses as well as for edible purposes. 
Does Counsel have any questions of Dr. Christy ? 
Mr. Cuinean. [have just one question, Dr. Christy. 
When you spoke of reducing fishing effort, you mentioned, I believe, 
two or three possible alternatives to actual physical exclusion: the 
development of underdeveloped stocks, new sources of fish species, and 
significant changes in the condition of supply. Would it be a fair state- 
ment that the possibility of achieving such alternatives to alleviate the 
harshness of actually excluding people could be enhanced by the cre- 
ation of some national program such as that proposed by the 
Commission on Marine Sciences? 
Dr. Curisty. Yes, I think so. — 
Mr. Lennon. Off the record. 
