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utility if IT am doing this and another sovereign says, “The way we 
call it, it is ‘undertaken there’, and you can’t ‘do it, or I will shove 
you in the calaboose.” So it is becoming an increasingly difficult 
problem. 
I have provided the committee with copies of a couple of fairly 
large studies on this topic, for your background information, that 
will give you rather complete details as to. how this developed, and 
what the present situation is. But it is very serious. 
Mr. Downing. Dr. Schaefer, on behalf of the committee, we appre- 
ciate your coming down here this morning, and you have given us 
a very valuable statement which will be read and studied and perhaps 
some of your judgments put into this. 
Dr. Scuanrer. I sincerely appreciate the opportunity, sir. 
Mr. Downine. We will insert your biography in the record pre- 
ceding your statement. 
That will be all for this morning. Tomorrow we will have Mr. J. E. 
Flipse, president of Deepsea Ventures, Inc., Newport News, Va., and 
Dr. Douglas L. Brooks, president of the Travelers Research Center, 
Inc., Hartford, Conn. 
Thank you very much. The committee will adjourn. 
(Whereupon, at 11:35 a.m. the committee was recessed, to be recon- 
vened at 10 a.m. Wednesday, August 13, 1969.) 
