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around there and what it could do for the people and expansion of the 
people’s potential and made the ultimate contribution, and I think it 
would be the same for the sea. 
Dr. Wenk. Mr. Hanna, I have to agree with you completely on this. 
It turns out that there are some strong reasons, In my view, why the 
support for marine sciences and affairs deserves higher priority with 
regard to economic growth, with regard to the problems that our Na- 
tion and society as a whole faces, with regard to hunger, with regard 
to an increasing appetite for enerey much of which has to be derived 
offshore, with regard to the problem of managing our coastal environ- 
ment so that we don’t end up with a sewer simply by moving the pollu- 
tion down stream, feeling that the ocean has an infinite capacity to 
absorb it. 
T think there is a strong rational for establishing marine affairs at 
a higher priority. 
But as we apply logic, I have to agree with you, we shouldn't squeeze 
out the spirit of exploration. We shouldn’t try to rationalize every sin- 
gle thing we do on a cost benefit analysis, because beyond this there is 
a matter of vision and the long-range point of view. We have to 
acknowledge that we can’t foresee all the returns we are going to get 
from the ocean. 
We simply know from past. experience that there is always more 
there than we see today. 
Also, with regard to this matter of funding for marine sciences, I 
wanted to be realistic in indicating that as I saw it in the near future, 
we were not going to be in a position to fund at the level the Com- 
mission proposes. “When you look at this in detail, they propose im- 
mediate large increases in the next few years, quite large; but I don’t 
want to leave this committee with the impression that the Adminis- 
tration is not looking at marine sciences along with these other pro- 
grams to determine whether or not the rationale that I have just pre- 
sented to you makes it deserving of increased support in fiscal 1971. 
I want to assure you that we are doing our best to make this case 
to the President, now—so that in any reallocation of priorities, there 
will be a rationale for some early increase in support for marine affairs. 
Mr. Hanna. We have got a momentum now, based on what the 
committee has done, what you people have done. Tt seems to me you 
have got to keep the momentum and if we don’t start moving with ‘the 
program such as the chairman envisions, we are not going ‘to have a 
momentum. I am not afraid where the future is going to take us. Some 
of the best things we ever did we stepped out knowing not what we 
were doing, and some of the things that we best planned we found 
out were based upon assumptions that were already proven to be un- 
true, only we didn’t know it. 
So I think the time is ripe to move, and I think you agree with me 
that we will never realize what you ‘said about serving some of the 
great needs that are here, if we don’t have this momentum. I am sure 
you agree with that. 
Dr. WENK. Indeed I do, sir. 
Mr. Hanna. Thank you. Mr. Lennon has returned and I turn the 
chair back to him. 
Mr. Lennon (presiding). Thank you, Mr. Hanna. 
