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Florida, Mr. Rogers, who has done so much for oceanography in 
Florida and throughout the country. 
I think I had better read all the testimony in the past so that I am 
_not repeating anything and hope in the future I will be able to par- 
ticipate and help the subcommittee. 
Mr. Lennon. Tam delighted that the gentleman attended this morn- 
ing on the first day of his appointment, and I hope he sets that good 
example for the other members of the subcommittee. 
I now recognize the long-time distinguished Floridian, Mr. Rogers. 
Mr. Rogers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. T am delighted to welcome 
my colleague from Florida. We are delighted to have him here and 
T know his contribution will help in this field. 
Mr. Secretary, I am delighted to see you and Admiral Trimble. I 
am not sure that I follow your argument that the Department of 
Transportation, however, is simply a program that carries out opera- 
tions. In my view and in my thinking it does a great deal of research 
and scientific work, does it not 4 
Mr. Beces. Yes, sir. I did not mean to imply that we are simply 
involved in oper: ations. We are involved ina great many research pro- 
grams. In the highway program, as you know, we disburse several 
hundred million dollars which is directed toward the pursuit of ap- 
plied research and technology to try to improve the safety of the 
highways and to try to improve the efficiency of those highways. 
We are also involved in a great number of safety research programs 
throughout the Department directed toward improving the safety 
of all modes of transportation and we are pursuing research programs 
of quite a broad array in looking at new forms of transportation, par- 
ticularly as related to the inter modal aspects and urban transportation. 
Mr. Rocers. As a matter of fact, in the roadbuilding, you don’t get 
out and actually build the road; do you? 
Mr. Brees. Of course, not at all. 
Mr. Rogers. You simply make grants of money and try to coordi- 
nate some planning. You are not even as operational there as much 
as the Coast Guard in putting out its markers ? 
Mr. Brees. No, sir. I would suggest that we do more than disburse 
grants and coordinate in the highway program. We do a great deal 
of highway engineering and setting of standards on the roads. 
Mr. Rocers. Research ? 
Mr. Breces. We work mostly with the States in the planning and 
design of the highways. 
Mr. Rogers. This is what we wanted to get into in the oceans too, 
You don’t have ICC under your jurisdiction; ;do you? 
Mr. Brees. Noy sir. 
Mr. Rocers. That handles the railroads, trucks, surface transporta- 
tion. Do you have the Maritime Commission, MarAd, under your 
jurisdiction ? 
Mr. Brees. No, sir. We do not. 
Mr. Rocers. These handle all the shipping on the water. Do you 
have CAB under your jurisdiction? 
Mr. Berces. No, sir. We do not. 
Mr. Rocmrs. I'am not sure then that your logic necessarily follows 
in the argument that you have made against transferring the Coast 
Guard. T don’t think that necessarily follows. I understand why you 
