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Mr. Bzces. That is correct. 
Mr. Lennon. And essentially in its mission and role of transporta- 
tion it is primarily related to what, the maritime industry, right, the 
maritime ? 
Mr. Brces. Well, it is related to the maritime, of course. 
Mr. Lewnon. In its relationship to transportation 4 
Mr. Breas. Yes, sir; but also I would add that in the area of navi- 
gation and some of the aspects of regulation, it is of course concerned 
with the intermodal kind of problem between the maritime industry 
and the rail industry and the trucking industry, and so forth. I am 
thinking now of such things as the container aspects of transportation. 
Mr. Lennon. When we speak in containers related to the Coast 
Guard we are speaking in terms of container ships on the seas and in 
the navigable waters; are we not ? 
Mr. Breas. That is correct. 
Mr. Lennon. Now, isn’t it rather strange that you have the Coast 
Guard in the Department oy ae ansportation primarily because of its 
relationship to maritime transportation and yet you have the Maritime 
Administration in another department of the Federal Government, 
don’t you, to wit, the Department of Commerce. Now, are you here 
saying that the Maritime Administration ought to be in the Depart- 
ment of Transportation because it is essentially related, is it not, so 
you said, to your carriers across the country, both truck and rail? 
Mr. Brees. T think logic says that the Maritime Administration 
should be closely associated with the rest of the transportation. 
Mr. Lennon. Should it be in the Department of Transportation? 
Mr. Breas. I believe so; yes, sir. 
Mr. Lennon. What is the position of Secretary Volpe? 
Mr. Brags. I think the Secretary has made statements, public state- 
ments, in which he has said that he feels here again that the definition 
and the study of the program and the policy in the maritime area 
should precede the organization and that he intends to participate in 
the development of that maritime program and policy, and indeed, 
the Department has been participating in that. 
Mr. Lennon. Now, Mr. Secretary, let’s suppose that in the late 
fifties there were 11 Government agencies or departments or agencies 
in that order, which as part of their historical roles and missions were 
involved, all of them, in space. Do you think that if that were true that 
you would have reached the phenomenon of placing a man on the moon 
unless you brought those Federal agencies together in one Government 
structure. Do you believe that with your experience with NASA ?? 
Mr. Brees. I think certainly the focus would have had to have been 
in a single department. There is no question about that. I would again 
question, if this had been 11 executive agencies involved, how much 
of that should have been brought together, however. 
Mr. Lennon. But the difference in that and what we are talking 
about here is that other than in DOD and only to a relative degree in 
DOD did you have a single agency of the Federal Government that 
was involved in the potential of space exploration; didn’t you? 
Mr. Brecos. That is correct. 
Mf. Lennon. So we have a different situation. We have these agen- 
cies and departments of the Federal Government and human n ature 
is the same all over the world, “don’t affect me.” Yet they have been 
