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strongly with those who suggest that we have to separate the research 
on the one hand from the development on the other. 
Mr. Beces. Mr. Karth, if I may, Mr. Chairman. 
Mr. Lennon. Go ahead. 
Mr. Beces. So that the record may be complete, I agree completely 
with that. I don’t disagree with that. My reference to operating re- 
sponsibilities earlier was really what I described as the kind of things 
that the Coast Guard does day by day in aid to navigation and main- 
taining the buoy system, the light system, the search and rescue opera- 
tions, and this kind of thing. 
But I agree completely with you. 
Mr. Kartu. But in almost every area of the Coast Guard if you 
don’t mind my saying so, Admiral, I think that we have to do sub- 
stantial research and new development. I’m certain it is not your fault 
because you have aggressively sought, I’m sure, to better develop the 
Coast Guard, but in almost every area of your responsibility, I think 
we have been laggards in doing the kind of new research and applying 
that, research into new development, and I would suggest, sir, that 
if all of these questions were brought to bear under one agency and 
that agency had the responsibility for developing marine sciences 
and resources along with the responsibilities of the Coast Guard, I 
think a much better job would be done. 
Mr. Lennon. I thank the gentleman for his statement and I think 
the Secretary knows that there are a number of distinguished members 
of the Science and Astronautics Committee who are members of this 
subcommittee, and those others who were not here today who are on 
that committee, have frequently in previous hearings expressed in sub- 
stance what the gentleman from Minnesota has so articulately ex- 
pressed here today. 
You say on page 6 that the proposal to move from the Department 
of Transportation the Coast Guard to a new agency “undermines the 
objectives of Congress in enacting the Department of Transportation 
Act.” 
Specifically, I can tell you why most of the Members of Congress 
voted to take it out of the Treasury Department and yet you talk about 
the traumatic effect of moving 43,000 military and civilian personnel 
out of the Department of Transportation, the traumatic effect it would 
have on the Department of Transportation. 
Let’s think about the traumatic effect it had when we moved it out 
of the Department of the Treasury. I had good reason to be on the other 
side, for this committee felt that over the years the Coast Guard had 
just not been able to get the funding that was essential for its historic 
roles and missions which were increasing all the time. 
That is the reason it came out of the Department of the Treasury. 
Now, I believe it has done better in the Department of Transportation. 
I think it might even do better as the lead agency in a new Government 
agency. That is frankly my opinion. 
How many oceanography vessels are there, Admiral Trimble, under 
the jurisdiction of the Coast Guard ? 
Admiral Trrueie. Mr. Lennon, we have only two vessels that are 
completely dedicated to oceanography. One is the /eockaway and the 
other is the H'vergreen, two that are completely dedicated. 
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