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complete geological and geophysical survey of our Continental Shelves 
as outlined by the Commission. 
There is one other service the Commission studied besides mapping 
and charting which ESSA now provides in part. This is the provision 
of environmental data services. The Commission has recommended 
that the National Weather Records Center (NWRC) and the National 
Oceanographic Data Center (NODC) be operated as a coordinated 
activity. 
Steps have already been taken to improve the coordination between 
these and other centers for geophysical data. We expect that these 
steps will assist in satisfying the many user groups. 
There are many more specific recommendations of the Commission 
that affect the Environmental Science Services Administration. I have 
only addressed the most immediate ones. In conclusion, I would like 
to emphasize that ESSA will enthusiastically participate in the im- 
plementation of any recommendations of the report of the Marine 
Commission which may be adopted. 
Thank you. 
Mr. Lennon. Thank you very much, Dr. White. 
Mr. Mosher ? 
Mr. Mosuer. Well, gentlemen, this committee has heard it argued 
that it doesn’t work in experience, it doesn’t work to mix the admin- 
istration of day-to-day action programs with the function of scientific 
research and development, and this has been one of the arguments we 
have heard against the creation of NOAA as perceived by the Com- 
mission, that in the administration of NOAA there might be so much 
emphasis on science and research that the day-to-day operations of 
some of the agencies involved would suffer. 
I don’t think this has been said before this committee, but I person- 
ally have heard it alleged that ESSA is an example of this. I have 
heard it alleged that in the last 3 years since the creation of ESSA, that 
some of the day-to-day practical operations that ESSA pursues, some 
of the coastal survey’s data gathering work and the weather observa- 
tions work, and so forth, that some of these practical day-to-day oper- 
ations have suffered because of the scientific orientation of ESSA, 
in ESSA’s top management. 
Do you want to comment on those allegations ? 
Dr. Trizus. I certainly do. Dr. White and I will both comment. on 
that. I would like to speak broadly on the matter and I would lke Dr. 
White to speak specifically regarding ESSA. 
It certainly does not have to follow that if you put research activities 
and operating activities together, that one is going to wash the other 
out. This is all a matter of the kind of management you have. 
Mr. Mosuer. So that you would not say that is an important argu- 
ment against the creation of NOAA ? 
Dr. Trisus. No; I certainly wouldn’t use that against the NOAA 
concept. I think there are other arguments that might be raised, but 
I don’t think that is a good one. 
You will recall, Congressman Mosher, that when I testified before 
the Daddario committee I spoke at length on research and the manage- 
ment of research and development and ongoing operations, and I think 
in ESSA we have a very good example of how it ought to be done. 
