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Dr. Trisus. I don’t have that offhand. Just a moment. I will get the 
information. 
Dr. Wuirr. The fiscal year 1970 budget had about $3 million for 
construction items in our budget. 
Mr. Rogers. Here is an agency that needs to build some laboratories, 
needs to build facilities, and I hope that you, Mr. Secretary, will 
impress your Secretary and the head of the Bureau of the Budget that 
ESSA/’s construction budget, for instance, is vital in the knowledge on 
hurricanes. 
Here we just had Camille, where it would have been helpful if we 
had an accelerated program in being able to know more, and we have 
a program trying to get started in Miami on this, and now they are 
talking about delaying again the building of your laboratory. But 
I don’t hear anybody in Commerce saying, “These are essential things 
for this Nation to do.” 
This is just an example of what I am talking about. We have to have 
someone to speak out and not just put it in a category of “Well, we are 
talking about it and we are planning about it.” 
This is what this Nation has been doing for the last 20 years. We 
want to see someone come out and do something and say, “We not only 
are going to plan and we are doing the planning, but we are going 
to have some action.” 
That is what I think this committee wants and is concerned with. 
I understand your feelings and I think you make some very legitimate 
points, but I am not sure that this gets to the root of the problem i in 
that we want something new to come forth and with great vigor and 
vitality to excite this Nation as to what really is in the oceans for the 
economic development of our people. 
Dr. Trisus. Let me speak to that point, because I think sometimes 
the achievements occur and they are not related to some of the spec- 
tacular things that are said. 
I was in Miami the other day and I was much impressed by what I 
saw in the development of oceanographic activity along near where 
the University of Miami has its facilities. Now, one of the ways that 
came about is the decision on the part of ESSA to consolidate various 
kinds of its research activities and put them near a university so that 
there would be encouragement for the university to put different activi- 
ties together. 
The Bureau of Commercial Fisheries is down there and this provided 
a nucleus, and then the people down in Miami got busy and they 
started promoting. I think after a while you are going to see a lot 
more activity out of these rather quietly made decisions, as quietly as 
could be made, because it 1s enough trouble to figure out where to put 
a laboratory without making too big a thing of it. 
Mr. Rogers. It was not too quiet, I might add. I was very aware of it. 
Dr. Trisus. What I am getting at is that the seed effect of this is 
enormous and in terms of budgetary implications it goes far beyond 
coming to the Congress and asking for several millions more when 
you see what happens in the private sector. 
Let me give you another example of what I mean. In the special 
task force that I am heading, where we are looking into our capability 
in the ocean, I am very much impressed when the people from Ocean 
