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Science and Engineering tell me that they joined together with Alcoa 
to put up $5 million of their own money to make the Sea Probe, or 
when the people at Westinghouse tell me they built the Deepstar with 
$20,000 of their own funds. 
Mr. Rocrrs. And their Ben Franklin, basically on their own 
funding. ; : 
Dr. Trisus. That is right. And when I see what Ocean Science and 
the Fluor Corp. have done together to develop a new approach to an 
oil rig to take them to 2,500 feet when the record up to now is 340 
feet, that is a real achievement. 
T ask these people: 
What do you need to get on with your business? What do you need from the 
Government? 
T am quoting now. They say : 
We need better weather prediction. We need better prediction of the sea state. 
We need better and more extensive mapping and survey of the ocean bottom. 
We need agreed-upon standards for the measuring system. We need agreed- 
upon techniques of measurement, because we rely on other people’s measurements, 
and we don’t know what they mean because they haven’t taken them in a standard 
way. That is what we need help on. 
Then they say to us, quoting again: 
We find it easier to contract with developing countries for offshore activities 
than we do with the United States because the institutional arrangements are 
such that it is harder to deal with the States. 
What I am getting at is that quite often the thing that needs to be 
done to promote development is a lot less spectacular sounding than 
some project for which you ask for umpteen million dollars and 
promise to do great things. 
The things that are required to cause the flow of private capital are 
often not so spectacular, but equally important, and that is why in my 
testimony I emphasized these things we were doing. I didn’t make a 
fuss over the surface effects ship. I didn’t make a fuss over the things 
we have done to promote containerization. 
The emphasis in the Maritime Administration today is on the use 
and deployment of technology to get us out of the position where we 
are merely funding the building of minor variations of ships that 
already exist and get the American shipping industry into the ships 
of tomorrow. 
Mr. Rogers. Yes. I don’t see much application from the Savannah, 
though. You mentioned the Savannah briefly, and I haven’t seen much 
come out of the Savannah. 
Dr. Tripus. Well, there are two or three things that can come out. 
Mr. Rocers. Can, but haven’t. This is what I am talking about. 
Dr. Trisus. Well, we are talking about the new team that we are 
putting together in MarAd, and what you are saying is you don’t be- 
lieve in the new team because the old team did not do a good job. 
Mr. Rocers. I would say I am more prejudiced that the new team 
won’t do as much as they might have because of the old team. Maybe 
that is what T said. 
Dr. Trisus. Give usa chance. We have a lot of programs. 
Mr. Rocers. I am willing to give you a chance and I hope vou will. 
Of course this committee will cooperate and I am sure the Congress 
will, in doing everything we can. 
