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Dr. Trisus. I certainly would go beyond mere coordination, but the 
question of where this agency reports, and all that it includes, it seems 
some still is open to question. 
Mr. Detienpack. But you would go beyond the present interrelation- 
ship between independent agencies which merely share information ? 
Dr. Trizus. Yes. 
Let me say one of the reasons for that. It just has to do with whether 
you get a critical mass, whether you have enough things going 
together. 
I have been reviewing this as part of this task force on national 
programs. As part of that work, every agency in the Federal Govern- 
ment that is doing anything in the ocean is presenting its program. 
Now, you listen first to the Navy present its program, and there is a 
real powerhouse of engineering talent. They present the things they 
are doing, and you see how they have studied their needs and require- 
ments, and are then going back to make sure that the basic research 
and development is adequate to enable them to carry out their various 
missions. 
Then you have a report from MarAd, and it is a pretty good report, 
but not anything like Navy, because MarAd is down in numbers of 
people and dollars. 
When you talk to other agencies about their programs, the only word 
that I can use, and the most charitable one, is pitiful. 
We really have to do more, and bring this expertise together. As an 
engineer, I am worried that good judgment comes from bad experience. 
Tam worried about where that good judgment is now being stored, 
When you go to make an improvement in a ship, you go where there 
are people with a long history of involvement with the equipment, and 
with the facilities, and with the procurement problems, and with the 
labor problems, and all the rest. 
J think we have to pull our efforts together to be able to consolidate 
our lessons, particularly in the development of technology. I don’t 
question that. The only question I have is where this should report, 
and how it gets its funding, and its relations to others. 
Mr. Detiensack. I think that is extremely important. 
Dr. Trrsus. Yes, sir. 
Mr. Detiensack. You are then emphasizing the vital importance of 
improving the presentation and bringing together a much more co- 
hesive organization to blend together actions and available data, et 
cetera. Is that correct? 
Dr. Trrsus. Yes, sir. 
Mr. Derrenpacs. And you feel it is important that there be a blend 
of the operation of Government and the operation of private industry ? 
Dr. Trius. Yes, sir. 
Mr. Dettenpacs. And you feel it is important that there be a blend 
of the operation of research and the operation of application of 
research ? 
Dr. Tripus. Yes, with the one limitation that not all the research 
should be funded out of this agency in order to provide the multiplicity 
of approach. 
Mr. Detrensack. Then if we include this vastly improved coordi- 
nation of operation, that is one goal, if we include the goal of blending 
of research and application, the goal of blending of Government and 
