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ment structure as NOAA brought into being, that ESSA would be an 
essential and necessary part of the same ? 
Dr. Trrsvs. I think that is true. 
Dr. Wuire. Yes; I would agree with that, sir. 
Mr. Lennon. Now, in the testimony of last week by the Under 
Secretary of Transportation he was talking about the Coast Guard 
and the reasons for the Coast Guard being in the Department of Trans- 
portation, because it was related to transportation, and the question 
was asked in what manner, in what way primarily was it related to 
transportation, and of course he immediately replied “The Maritime 
Administration.” 
We couldn't help but comment, “Now, you justify the Coast Guard 
being in the Department of Transportation because of its relationship 
to the Maritime Administration, but the Maritime Administration 
is not in the Department of Transportation. Tt’s in the Department of 
Commerce.” 
Then the question was asked by me, “Would you gentlemen like to 
see the Maritime Administration moved over into the Department 
of Transportation?” And you know what the obvious answer was, 
human nature being the same. 
So we find ourselves in these situations so frequently. 
I have been privileged to read over your statement, Mr. Secretary, 
prior to coming to the meeting, and I have questions, but I think most 
of them have in substance been answered. Time will not permit us 
to go into any great detail of them this morning. 
The question was asked as to whether the time will come that the 
Department of Commerce would make a specific recommendation or 
submit a definitive alternative to the Commission’s recomendation. 
Tam reminded that back in 1961 when the Honorable George Miller 
was chairman of the Subcommittee on Oceanography and it had just 
come into being a couple of years before that time, this being the 87th 
Congress, the first session, there was legislation introduced oriented in 
the direction of some of the Commission’s recommendations with re- 
spect to a Government structure. 
I was reading again this morning to refresh my memory a letter 
received by me in January of 1962 which was the second session of the 
87th Congress, signed by the then acting chairman of the Subcom- 
mittee on Oceanography, Mr. John Dingell, in which he pointed out 
that the committee had wrestled with this problem all during the first 
session of the 87th Congress, more specifically calendar year 1961, and 
expressed the view as to whether or not we could ever get the adminis- 
tration to go along in bringing together the various spectrums of 
oceanology, marine science, oceanography out of the 11 departments 
and agencies of the Federal Government. 
To make a long story short, we were unsuccessful. 
Now let’s assume that the administration had supported this com- 
mittee in its efforts to make a start then. There is no doubt but what 
when ESSA came into being it would have moved into this agency, the 
central agency. 
Where would we be today if the committee had not met with the 
resistance of the administration in our efforts to take some forward 
step in this field ? 
