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Mr. Lennon. I would ask you this question. 
So many people have argued, including some in the Department of 
the Interior, that the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries which takes, 
I believe, approximately $45 million of this total figure, somewhere 
in the neighborhood of two-thirds or almost three-fourths, was not 
directly related to oceanography, but in your judgment it is? 
Mr. Trarn. We consider it a very important element in oceanography. 
Mr. Lennon. You charge off, in your general statement, this amount 
to the oceanography program. 
Mr. Tratn. That is correct, sir. 
Mr. Lennon. So that it is your belief and judgment that the Bureau 
of Commercial Fisheries is inextricably related to the broad spectrum 
of marine sciences and oceanography ? 
Mr. Train. Yes. 
Mr. Lennon. Thank you, sir. 
Mr. Tratn. We consider the appropriate heading more that of marine 
resources than oceanography. 
Going back again to our budget figures, if seashore land acquisition 
for public recreation is included in addition to all activities of the 
Federal Water Pollution Control Administration that relate to the 
marine environment, the Department’s total marine resources budget 
is at least twice the amount quoted. More than a dozen bureaus and 
offices in the Department have direct marine resource responsibilities. 
These very broad and diverse responsibilities require close coordina- 
tion. Differences can arise between commercial and sport fisheries. 
Development of marine oil and gas resources, if not carefully planned 
and managed, can create conflicts with fisheries and recreation. Water 
pollution threatens other uses of the marine environment. 
Interior’s experience in resolving such conflicts, and in coordinating 
its diverse interests in the environment, has made this Department 
especially qualified to resolve resource-use conflicts. We are learning 
to anticipate the problems so that measures can be taken in advance 
to avoid or alleviate them. 
We have had a long and successful record of cooperation with other 
Federal agencies, the States, universities, industry, and public groups. 
Our relationships with the Navy and the State Department have been 
especially close. The Department of Transportation, through the Coast 
Guard, has been extremely helpful in monitoring foreign fishing opera- 
tions off our coast and in enforcing fishery regulations. 
The Department of Commerce and the Department of the Interior 
have many joint marine programs which reinforce the capabilities 
of both agencies. We cooperate with NASA, AEC, NSE, Smithsonian 
Institution, and other specialized Federal agencies, and our close 
working relationships with the States are well known. Altogether, In- 
terior has been a leader in marine affairs for many years. 
Mr. Lennon. Mr. Secretary, I am going to interrupt you again. 
Your $45 million for Bureau of Commercial Fisheries is impressive. 
Internationally where do we stand with respect to the production of 
edible fish for the American population as compared with other 
nations? Are we somewhere in either sixth or seventh place? Is that 
not true? 
Mr. Traty. Are you asking what. proportion of the total world 
production of commercial fish is produced by the United States? 
