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Mr. Lennon. Yes, sir. In other words, the worldwide catch of fish 
has risen from 20 million tons to 60 million tons in 40 years, but in 
that same period when they have increased at the international level 
from 20 million to 60 million tons in 40 years the U.S. production has 
remained essentially unchanged. Is that a fair statement ? 
Mr. Train. I believe it is, sir. 
Mr. Lennon. And we import today approximately 70 percent of our 
edible fish ? 
Mr. Trarn. That is correct. 
Mr. Lennon. That would lead some of us to believe that the Bureau 
of Commercial Fisheries does not appear to be as dynamic as we would 
like it to be, which is a matter that concerns all of us and especially 
the Department of the Interior which has jurisdiction over the Bureau 
of Commercial Fisheries, I am sure. 
Do you want to comment on that? 
Mr. Tratyn. We certainly share your concern. In answer to your first 
question, it is true, as I understand it, that the United States stands 
sixth. 
Mr. Lennon. But you say you have been a leader in marine affairs 
for many years. 
Now, how do you equate your leadership in the vigorous area of 
expenditures when we have remained unchanged for 20 years in the 
production of edible fish, whereas the international production has 
increased from 20 million tons to 60 million tons in that 40 years, and 
we have stood at sixth place and import 70 percent of our fish? Where 
is the dynamic leadership that the Department of the Interior is pro- 
viding in this important field for which you get $45 million a year, 
which represents almost two-thirds of the moneys expended by your 
Department in the so-called marine environment or the marine 
production ? 
That does concern us. I know it is not your responsibility, because 
you are new in the Department. 
Well, I have a lot I could say about this, but I do not want to in- 
terrupt you more. You goright ahead. _ 
Mr. Train. Turning to the specifics of the report of the Commis- 
sion, the organizational recommendations in chapter 7 have attracted 
widespread attention. 
The Commission report abounds with references to the National 
Oceanographic and Atmospheric Agency (NOAA), as if the Com- 
mission had in fact decided that creation of a new agency was impera- 
tive. Actually, Dr. Stratton has said several times that the Commission 
recognized that the responsibility for civilian ocean affairs might be 
delegated to an existing agency, but that this solution would require 
major reorganization, and that reorganization of any existing agency 
which had statutory responsibility for nonmarine matters was beyond 
the terms of reference of the Commission. 
Mr. Lennon. Right at that point, Mr. Secretary, for the record, let 
us get into the record the names of the three Government representa- 
tives appointed by the President as members of the Commission. They 
were the Honorable Charles F. Baird, the Under Secretary of the 
Navy, the Honorable Robert M. White, Administrator, Environmental 
Science Services Administration, and the Honorable Frank Di Luzio, 
