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This causes me concern. I don’t think we have put emphasis there. 
You can go right down the line on all of these developments and that 
is why the Congress has become concerned about this. That is why we 
created a Presidential Council, to take it out of just an interagency 
arrangement, to give emphasis. That is why we formed the Presi- 
dential Commission to study this for us and that is why we hope the 
agencies are going to look at it with a little more imagination and 
enthusiasm, rather than thinking in a parochial way where we just 
want to protect our jurisdiction here. 
I hope that this committee in these hearings can encourage this in 
the executive branch. What would you say are our present moneys 
coming from the resources of the sea, for instance, that your depart- 
ment has jurisdiction of, your royalties that you have, and so forth? 
Mr. Tran. Referring to my statement ? 
Mr. Rocers. I was thinking of the figures. 
Mr. Tratn. I am sorry. This is an estimate f have to give this after- 
noon on the other side. I beg your pardon. I testify on the seabeds this 
afternoon and the total that the Federal Government has received 
from mineral development on the Outer Continental Shelf, and of 
course most of that has been fairly recently, has totalled $4.5 million 
and that is from mineral resources alone. 
Mr. Rocers. And what do we have coming in, would you think, this 
year, as sort of a total sum, $600 million? I realize this is an estimate. 
You may supply the correct figure. 
Mr. Tratn. I understand that the royalty figure will be a minimum 
of $300 million for this fiscal year, and that bonus and other payments 
which cannot be estimated with quite that accuracy could bring the 
total up to around $500 million or so. 
Mr. Rogers. And I understand your budget goes from $80 million ? 
Mr. Tratn. In the marine resources field, I have used a figure of 
from $80 to $100 million. That is of a total budget within the Depart- 
ment of, I think, about $1.9 billion. 
Mr. Rogers. So that you see this causes us concern because you have 
many activities of $1.9 billion and yet $100 million is allocated for the 
development of the resources of the sea and yet it is bringing in half 
a billion dollars already. This is just on royalties. We just don’t know 
anything sufficiently about the resources there or the techniques to 
harvest them. 
Mr. Tratn. Of course, you understand that while the Department 
has very substantial receipts, in fact I thing that outside of the Treas- 
ury we are the most important revenue producing agency in the Fed- 
eral Government, these revenues do not go into the budget of the 
Department. They go into the general revenues of the Treasury. 
Mr. Rogers. I understand. 
Mr. Tratn. I was hoping maybe you would suggest otherwise. 
Mr. Rocrrs. Well, as a matter of fact, I wouldn’t mind saying, and 
J think this committee has felt this way, that we are benefitting from 
the development of the resources of the sea already and some of these 
funds ought to be plowed back in. I don’t think the departments, not 
just yours, but any of them, have taken this position strongly enough 
and this holdback of the departments is what has brought this situa- 
tion to the fore today. 
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